Criterion and Fox / MGM / Universal

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Re: Fox and Universal Licenses

#326 Post by knives » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:11 pm

Peyton Place is better than half the collection and a big enough film that the dismissal seems odd.

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Re: Fox and Universal Licenses

#327 Post by Apperson » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:23 pm

I've been wanting some kind of Region-B release for years based on domino's write-up, but there was a pretty recent Twilight Time version (as is two years after 1984 recent).

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#328 Post by Arthur House » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:53 pm

Those most recent Fox titles were presumably in the pipeline pre-Disney. Disney has recently more or less shuttered the Fox theatrical rep department, which doesn't entirely bode well for them licensing stuff.

Keeping in the spirit of the thread, some other titles to consider if Disney plays ball:

An Unmarried Woman
Harry & Tonto
Willie & Phil
A Wedding
Titles from the Murnau/Borzage box.

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#329 Post by domino harvey » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:56 pm

I don’t think A Wedding is with Fox anymore. Fallen Angel is forthcoming from TT, but they seem about one step away from shuttering so maybe not

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#330 Post by Arthur House » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:13 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:56 pm
I don’t think A Wedding is with Fox anymore. Fallen Angel is forthcoming from TT, but they seem about one step away from shuttering so maybe not
Who would have A Wedding then? Anchor Bay did an ultra-cheap DVD (no features or menus!) not long after the Fox Altman Box and individual release discs went OOP.

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#331 Post by domino harvey » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:26 pm

Discussion of the Disney/Fox merger moved here

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#332 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:13 am

Bill Hunt reported on thedigitablbits some rumblings about Warner Brothers buying the rights to the MGM titles that were owned by Fox as of June 30th, when that deal expired.

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#333 Post by Ribs » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:28 am

It’s not really an ownership situation, is it? It’s distribution rights - MGM is still in charge for those titles, WB just does the actual printing and distribution for the titles, it’s just an output deal. So there shouldn’t be any real reason why MGM titles wouldn’t start reappearing from all the specialty labels once the deal’s in motion. Did I misunderstand the situation?

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#334 Post by domino harvey » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:19 am

So like what WB did for the Paramount titles they acquired, a WB UPC slapped on existing stock and a rebrand for future pressings?

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#335 Post by knives » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:20 am

And one step closer to them owning the state of Delaware.

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#336 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:28 am

Ribs wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:28 am
It’s not really an ownership situation, is it? It’s distribution rights - MGM is still in charge for those titles, WB just does the actual printing and distribution for the titles, it’s just an output deal. So there shouldn’t be any real reason why MGM titles wouldn’t start reappearing from all the specialty labels once the deal’s in motion. Did I misunderstand the situation?
Hunt was pretty vague about it and didn't describe it any clearer than I just did, not citing any official sources but citing it as going through the "grapevine".

Maybe one or both sides wants to consolidate the whole library which isn't a bad idea at all, and it seems to retroactively fit into what I'm reading about what the studio is doing now under it's new ownership by taking on new properties (they were a surprise contender in getting the rights to the new Scorsese movie) and not being so tied to past franchises.

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#337 Post by Ribs » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:48 am

The grapevine, as is usual for Bill Hunt, was just based on product listings, releases that are ostensibly MGM (a season of Vikings, in particular? having listings appearing with Warner as the distributor. He doesn’t actually have any kind of inside grapevine tidbits, seeing as this was shared on Blu-ray’s forums before he shared it. Besides the fact this handover took MGM off the table for a chunk of the last year, I expect there’ll be pretty much no change in how things actually play out w/r/t every specialty label’s ability to license from them as it used to be.

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#338 Post by Ribs » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:57 am

With THE GUNFIGHTER and CLAUDINE coming it appears there'll still be Fox titles held over from whenever they made their last deal coming in for the forseeable future.

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#339 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:20 pm

Makes sense given their recent output including a Fox title practically each month, hopefully it's good for a while

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#340 Post by Ribs » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:42 pm

Criterion just sitting on the rights for movies for years (still waiting on ANY new SC titles!) will end up paying dividends as they’ll end up the last to still be putting out from the Fox library.

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#341 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:47 pm

It’ll be interesting to see how many more Fox titles will be coming to CC. If Fox execs gave a heads up to CC about Disney deal hopefully more, bigger deals between Fox and CC were struck. I wonder how many Fox titles like The Gunfighter that don’t have a bluray release

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#342 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:50 pm

The problem is, a lot of primo choice MIA Fox titles are not exactly Criterion material. As weird as it sounds, I’d be happier if they’d have struck such a deal with KLSC

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#343 Post by Ribs » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:08 am

I know we all want to hope for some of the titles that haven't gotten BD releases, but are there any other early-days-of-TT Fox titles that seem like the sort of thing CC would go after a la Leave Her To Heaven? I'm not familiar enough with spotting library titles from specific studios off-hand, but is there a world where they'd want to release Breaking Away or The Driver or movies like those? (I know that the only way we'll know is when they come, just spitballing ideas)

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#344 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:12 am

I could see Criterion going after more Mazursky, in which case they could pick up Next Stop, Greenwich Village, though I really hope they have Harry and Tonto in the works, which definitely is right up their alley

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#345 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:32 pm

FWIW, Warner Bros. is putting out Bill And Ted Face the Music on Blu.

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#346 Post by Luke M » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:01 pm

Do we think Criterion might release The Best Years of Our Lives? I've been considering overpaying for the OOP blu-ray but I can definitely hold off there's some speculation.

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#347 Post by senseabove » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:13 pm

That's a WB release, so seems more likely it'll get a Warner Archive rerelease at some point.

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#348 Post by knives » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:40 pm

Even more complicated is that it’s a Sam Goldwyn film.

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#349 Post by domino harvey » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:07 pm

They already rereleased the similarly Samuel Goldwyn Blu of Hans Christian Anderson via the Archives, so it doesn’t appear to complicate anything as far as we know

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Re: Criterion and Fox / MGM / Universal

#350 Post by Luke M » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:42 pm

Thanks for the responses. I can wait.

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