Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

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Big Ben
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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#176 Post by Big Ben » Fri May 15, 2020 5:25 pm

Michael Kerpan wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:09 pm
Did Traveling Players even get a decent US DVD release?
No. As far as I'm aware the only really English friendly DVD release is from Artificial Eye.

On the topic of Blu-Ray I can't imagine many people are willing to rush out to restore or watch a nearly four hour film about Greek History. But I imagine this is true of all of his stuff including incredibly relevant films like The Suspended Step of the Stork. And I say all of this as a big Angelopoulos fan.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#177 Post by FrauBlucher » Fri May 15, 2020 6:30 pm

Someone as internationally renown as Angelopoulos is hard to imagine that his films are ignored in the US, especially by Criterion, for restorations and bluray release. I have to think that rights issues have to be a big reason.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#178 Post by Big Ben » Fri May 15, 2020 6:42 pm

I believe New Yorker Films released a VHS tape of The Travelling Players in 1999 (Under the New Yorker Video banner) but I'm unsure of the rights status of the film after it all went under in 2018.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#179 Post by John Cope » Fri May 15, 2020 6:46 pm

Big Ben wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:25 pm
Michael Kerpan wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:09 pm
Did Traveling Players even get a decent US DVD release?
No. As far as I'm aware the only really English friendly DVD release is from Artificial Eye.
And of course the New Star edition though the menus are in Greek.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#180 Post by feihong » Fri May 15, 2020 9:54 pm

I have the Japanese blu ray of Landscape in the Mist, which looks awesome. I'm sure rights issues are at play here, but also, because the films are quite old now for the most part, I wouldn't be surprised to find many of them needed considerable restoration––especially something like The Travelling Players. It seems that whether or not there is money for a restoration is a big factor in whether a blu ray release gets done. It's maybe a hint that the elements might need to be restored that in Japan they didn't release The Travelling Players on blu ray, since they did release Landscape in the Mist, Voyage to Cythera, Eternity and a Day, The Dust of Time, and I think The Weeping Meadow. There are Japanese DVD boxsets, and one has The Traveling Players, Days of 36, and The Hunters. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't the elements available to put the older films on blu-ray.

On the other hand, maybe Criterion is worried there isn't the interest in its major markets. Angelopoulos has been little seen in the U.S. I have some fantastic blu-rays of later Raoul Ruiz films; Time Regained, Three Lives and Only One Death, and Geneologies of a Crime––all of which were put on blu ray in France. I think of Ruiz as a filmmaker with comparable international recognition to Angelopoulos, and kind of a peer of his, since they worked in similar ways in the same eras. The blu rays look lovely. But only one of them got released in the U.S.––Time Regained, which did have a fairly high-profile art-house run in the U.S. when if first came out. So did Three Lives, but if I had to pick one to get a blu ray, I supposed Time Regained was the higher profile, more recognizable and more promotable one. I recall Ulysses' Gaze and Eternity and a Day getting U.S. arthouse theatrical runs, but I think they'd still be hard to promote in the U.S. nowadays. My vague feeling is that these artistic international filmmakers who were hot stuff in the 1990s haven't been quite so unappreciated since their debuts as they are now. But maybe it is a question of rights and available elements? The exceptional Edward Yang pictures from that period––Mahjong and A Confucian Confusion––are impossible to see, as well.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#181 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri May 15, 2020 10:16 pm

feihong wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:54 pm
On the other hand, maybe Criterion is worried there isn't the interest in its major markets. Angelopoulos has been little seen in the U.S.
See this bothers me (regarding Ruiz too). Criterion has created plenty of interest in filmmakers that weren't well known in the U.S. prior to giving them a push. It seems like more recently they've done less of that outside of the WCF films. But I mean they are planning to put out Nikos Papatakis' work and I'd say he is far more obscure than Angelopoulos. Which is leads me to believe it is more an issue of right or materials.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#182 Post by Fsolano80 » Fri May 15, 2020 11:10 pm

From what I can tell, not at all. It’s really sad that we’ve had to wait so long just to see Criterion continue to ignore these amazing films.

I mean, how did a movies like Blue Velvet and The Princess Bride, which are entirely available on multiple platforms, get prioritized over something that never even got a decent dvd release in the States?

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#183 Post by Luke M » Sat May 16, 2020 12:36 am

Isn't there a rights issue with the estate?

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#184 Post by jaffe1234 » Sat May 16, 2020 5:11 am

Big Ben wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:25 pm
On the topic of Blu-Ray I can't imagine many people are willing to rush out to restore or watch a nearly four hour film about Greek History.
I don't think that that should really be an issue because after film gets certain amount of acclaim there should be build-in audience of hardcore cinephiles who will be interested that should be enough to justify restoration and release. Like you might as well say that "I can't imagine many people are willing to rush out to restore or watch a three hour Soviet film about 15th century Russian icon painter". But yet Andrei Rublev is quite popular film by Criterion's standards. Angelopoulos might not be quite as famous as Tarkovsky but film like The Travelling Players is so frequently featured with high ranking on lists like Sight & Sound 250 or TSPDT 1000 that most cinephiles should have at least have heard about him.

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#185 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat May 16, 2020 10:31 am

I can't believe that Angelopoulos is any less marketable than the Czech directors or other Eastern European directors that Criterion have released. I'm sure Kino would also be another label that would be happy to land his films. Maybe someone can ask the KL Insider on that other forum

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Re: Theo Angelopoulos on DVD

#186 Post by Fsolano80 » Sat May 16, 2020 11:49 am

Luke M wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 12:36 am
Isn't there a rights issue with the estate?
Possibly, though there is nothing to help confirm. Currently, I know that StudioCanal has rights to at the very least, both Eternity and a Day and Landscape in the Mist (I posted some clips and got copyright claimed by them) though who knows if they’ll ever put out restorations. If they do, it’ll probably be region 2 only until either Criterion or Kino, maybe even Cohen Media, picks up the rights.

To be honest, I don’t think we’ll see his films get properly distributed until there’s a retrospective at Cannes or something, kind of like with Wong Kar-Wai. The difference is that most of WKW’s films are readily available in the U.S. already and there’s allegedly a box set yet to be announced by Criterion, so he’s in demand.

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