All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

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#976 Post by Caligula » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:21 am

vsski wrote:There are essentially two categories of players available, those that are hardware modified, meaning someone actually opened up the player and enabled multi-region coding, the other is a software download to the player that switches region codes through a command on the remote (actually even with the hardware option you press a button on the remote to switch regions for BDs - DVD region switching is automatic).
There might even be three categories:

1) Hardware modified (Oppo, Cambridge Audio);
2) Via remote; or
3) My setup (I have a Denon BD-player) where I have two flash drives, one for region A and one for region B, that I have to plonk in to the USB-port whenever I want to change regions. Works quite well, actually. Strangely enough the option doesn't seem to be available for Marantz, their sister company (not in my country, anyway, the last time I enquired).

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#977 Post by David M. » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:22 am

I've not heard of the Denon flash drive thing - where do you get the files to put on the drives? Freely available?

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#978 Post by Caligula » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:10 am

David M. wrote:I've not heard of the Denon flash drive thing - where do you get the files to put on the drives? Freely available?
I have the files with instructions on how to use them - they should work for the DBT1713 and DBT3313 players. I have the Denon DBT 3313 and it works like a charm, playing any BD I throw at it - Criterion, MoC, Twilight Time's Big Heat, Japanese, Korean releases. I probably shouldn't say where I got the region-change files - don't want the relevant party to land in trouble. Suffice to say it's an official source.

If anyone wants the files with instructions PM me with your email address and I'll be happy to forward them.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#979 Post by fdm » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:17 am

Don't have details, but I recall reading of a USB only option for the Oppo 93 as well (no internal hardware additions needed).

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#980 Post by David M. » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:41 pm

Any word if this (like the previous Pialat) is region free?
Region B locked.

I see people in Region A upset about Region B locked titles on an almost daily basis. 6 years ago, I'd have laughed if someone had predicted that Region B would be envied.

Region switchable players will bring a lot of comfort. Not an ideal situation... but you have the power to change your player much faster than the industry can change its ways.

Obviously, my opinions about region locking are my own.

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#981 Post by The Doogster » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:55 pm

David M. wrote:Region switchable players will bring a lot of comfort. Not an ideal situation... but you have the power to change your player much faster than the industry can change its ways.
I have a $99 Toshiba Blu-Ray player that is switchable between region A and B, using the remote control. I have about 200 region A discs and about 400 region B.

When Toshiba lost the Blu-Ray versus HD DVD battle, its Blu-Ray players became multi-region as a two-finger salute to the Blu-Ray consortium. Note that you may need to install a firmware upgrade to access the multi-region function.

There are several other brands of Blu-Ray player on the market that offer multi-region access.

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#982 Post by David M. » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:00 am

When Toshiba lost the Blu-Ray versus HD DVD battle, its Blu-Ray players became multi-region as a two-finger salute to the Blu-Ray consortium.
I'm not sure if that's 100% true (I think the region switchable firmware actually came about because of Australian fair competition laws), but I hear that online a lot - it's a good story :D

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#983 Post by swo17 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:30 am

David M. wrote:I see people in Region A upset about Region B locked titles on an almost daily basis. 6 years ago, I'd have laughed if someone had predicted that Region B would be envied.

Region switchable players will bring a lot of comfort. Not an ideal situation... but you have the power to change your player much faster than the industry can change its ways.

Obviously, my opinions about region locking are my own.
Off topic, but will we ever see the day that Blu-ray players can be modded to be truly region-free with regard to Blu-ray (as they are for DVD) as opposed to just region-switchable? Every time I switch between Regions A and B I feel like I'm taking a little life out of my player. (It usually takes me a couple tries to get the code to take, and I often have to reset my player after I've done so in order for it to show something other than a black screen. Throughout all of which, I'm panicking of course that my player will brick.) So I'm region-free, but I don't entirely feel "free"--I try to save up my Region B discs to watch them all at once, generally no more often than once a month.

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#984 Post by tenia » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:49 am

swo17 wrote: Off topic, but will we ever see the day that Blu-ray players can be modded to be truly region-free with regard to Blu-ray (as they are for DVD) as opposed to just region-switchable? Every time I switch between Regions A and B I feel like I'm taking a little life out of my player. (It usually takes me a couple tries to get the code to take, and I often have to reset my player after I've done so in order for it to show something other than a black screen. Throughout all of which, I'm panicking of course that my player will brick.) So I'm region-free, but I don't entirely feel "free"--I try to save up my Region B discs to watch them all at once, generally no more often than once a month.
Most likely : never, simply because DVD players were not Region Free, but region All, meaning Region 0. However, by using letters instead of numbers, you lack the equivalency of a 0 in the alphabet, thus the need to change the region manually. However, I don't remember what prevents a BD-player to be set up as ABC. :-k

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#985 Post by David M. » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:35 pm

Off topic, but will we ever see the day that Blu-ray players can be modded to be truly region-free with regard to Blu-ray (as they are for DVD) as opposed to just region-switchable?
Likely never. On DVD, the region coding was part of the logical format, i.e. the decision on whether to play the disc or not was handled by the player.

On BD, all players actually play all discs. To region-lock a Blu-ray Disc, the disc author has to manually add commands which crash the disc/lead it to a dead end if it detects it's playing in a certain region machine. (This is why you have all these cases/workarounds where some titles can be made to play on some players by pressing "1" or "top menu").

To have an auto region switching BD player, you would need to have a fairly complicated mod chip or firmware hack which tried to read the programming commands to see which region is the "Right" one for playback. Say you have commands that read:

if Region=A goto Title1
if Region=B goto Title0
if Region=C goto Title1

There's no way a machine can be programmed to automatically know which of those paths is the "Right" one for playback. So, it's likely to stay manually switchable.
Every time I switch between Regions A and B I feel like I'm taking a little life out of my player.
I really wouldn't worry about that. I'm not sure which player you have or how the region switches are implemented, but I don't see why it would take the life out of the player any more than changing menu options would.

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#986 Post by swo17 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:39 pm

David M. wrote:I'm not sure which player you have or how the region switches are implemented
Oppo BDP-93, regions switched by entering a code and resetting the player.

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Re: 135 / BD 67 Van Gogh

#987 Post by Drucker » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:47 pm

swo17 wrote:
David M. wrote:I'm not sure which player you have or how the region switches are implemented
Oppo BDP-93, regions switched by entering a code and resetting the player.
I too am always a wee nervous about how ever since putting the chip in, the Oppo logo flashes, then the screen goes black, and then it comes back again. It didn't do that before I started region switching.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#988 Post by Pink Lemonade Patrol » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:56 pm

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this (http://www.world-import.com/region_free ... layers.htm) website for purchasing All-Region players. They seem pretty legit just by what they say on their website, but I was wondering if anyone here had purchased anything from them and can confirm that they are a reputable site to do business with.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give in this matter.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#989 Post by gselich » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:46 am

Pink Lemonade Patrol wrote:Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this (http://www.world-import.com/region_free ... layers.htm) website for purchasing All-Region players. They seem pretty legit just by what they say on their website, but I was wondering if anyone here had purchased anything from them and can confirm that they are a reputable site to do business with.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give in this matter.
I purchased my player from them about three months ago. I am very happy with them. They take a bit longer to ship than they indicate on the website, but that's no big deal. The merchandise is as described, quite well packed for shipping, and the communication was excellent. Their lifetime region free guarantee was a strong motivating factor in my choosing this dealer.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#990 Post by Mathew2468 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:02 pm

I just watched Second Sight's POSSESSION BD on my regionless Sharp BDHP70U but it messed up during the subway freakout (!). I'm guessing it was during the layer switch. Skipped and glitched. I went to the next chapter and rewound but 4 minutes were inaccessible. I'm not asking for help, but I'm wondering if this is a common problem when playing foreign BDs.

Another reason to double dip with the Mondo Vision!

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#991 Post by jindianajonz » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:45 pm

From another thread:
Zot! wrote:Keep in mind that if you're going to go region free for this, you will want a player or screen that can handle or convert 1080i50 content. This is probably a good consideration regardless for maximum flexibility.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do I go about checking this? These two bluray players both talk about "watching full 1080p resolution"; does this mean they don't support the 1080i50 content? If I get one that doesn't support 1080i50 content, what sort of blu-rays will I not be able to play?

I am hoping to use this on both an old Vizio TV and a 2 year old Panasonic Viera ST series.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#992 Post by David M. » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:54 pm

They probably don't, being American players.

Does your Vizio TV support 50hz input? Probably not also, again since it's American.

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#993 Post by jindianajonz » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:56 pm

I'll have to check when I get home, but it's a 6 or 7 years old (and, as you say, American), so I doubt it.

So if I can't handle 1080i50, what am I going to be missing out on?

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#994 Post by David M. » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:06 pm

Some BBC shows, and the occasional bonus feature which is presented in 50hz.

50hz content is rare on Blu-ray.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#995 Post by jindianajonz » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:13 pm

David M. wrote:Some BBC shows, and the occasional bonus feature which is presented in 50hz.

50hz content is rare on Blu-ray.
Thanks! Out of curiosity, what would happen if I tried to play it on a TV set for 60hz?

Also, 1080i obviously only applies to blu-ray, but is there some similar spec that may limit my ability to watch DVDs if I don't buy the right thing?

EDIT: Looking at the Sony BDP-S5100 that I linked to, it has a spec "100~240V 50/60Hz Auto Switching". Does this mean it play 1080i50 on my 60hz TV, or do I need to look for something that specifically says "converts 50hz to 60hz" or something of the sort?

EDIT 2: The same player also states "Built in Video Converter PAL to NTSC that works on all USA/Canada/Japan (NTSC) TVs. REALTIME built-in video converter so that you can watch your PAL DVDs on NTSC TV"

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#996 Post by Zot! » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:01 pm

jindianajonz wrote:
David M. wrote:Some BBC shows, and the occasional bonus feature which is presented in 50hz.

50hz content is rare on Blu-ray.
Thanks! Out of curiosity, what would happen if I tried to play it on a TV set for 60hz?

Also, 1080i obviously only applies to blu-ray, but is there some similar spec that may limit my ability to watch DVDs if I don't buy the right thing?

EDIT: Looking at the Sony BDP-S5100 that I linked to, it has a spec "100~240V 50/60Hz Auto Switching". Does this mean it play 1080i50 on my 60hz TV, or do I need to look for something that specifically says "converts 50hz to 60hz" or something of the sort?

EDIT 2: The same player also states "Built in Video Converter PAL to NTSC that works on all USA/Canada/Japan (NTSC) TVs. REALTIME built-in video converter so that you can watch your PAL DVDs on NTSC TV"
Playing 50hz content on an NTSC television would result in a garbled mess through an analog input (not sure if any image would appear for HDMI/DVI), in any case it is rendered unwatchable. Yes, you would need a special converting dvd player to play DVDs as well. So if you consider that an appropriate player would allow you to play all PAL DVDs and any BDs using 1080i50, and can cost as little as $50, I don't quite understand why people who love films hesitate. And I think David is underselling the usefulness of 1080i50 capability. The new Eric Rohmer set has a number of films encoded like this. Some music documentaries, like the Led Zeppelin reunion. TV shows from anywhere in PAL-land, like the original versions of the Killing and the Bridge. Even some feature films originate in 1080i50 like The Hunt, Antichrist, and a lot of other Danish productions. I'm sure I'm forgetting some other notable examples.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#997 Post by jindianajonz » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:28 pm

Thanks to both of you! So back to my original question, what specific verbiage should I be looking for to indicate this capability? Is the "Convert PAL to NTSC" and "50hz/60hz auto switching" enough?

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#998 Post by manicsounds » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:39 am

jindianajonz wrote:Thanks to both of you! So back to my original question, what specific verbiage should I be looking for to indicate this capability? Is the "Convert PAL to NTSC" and "50hz/60hz auto switching" enough?
Yup, that means the player converts automatically.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#999 Post by Adam Grikepelis » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:05 am

Well, it means the player will convert PAL to NTSC, meaning you could play PAL & NTSC DVDs fine, but from what you've mentioned, I'd say it also means the player will be able to play back both 50 & 60 Hz content, but won't actually convert it, so you'd still need a TV capable of displaying 50 & 60 Hz.

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Re: All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice

#1000 Post by fdm » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:56 am

Blu-ray.com has a thread that tracks 50Hz compatible US players, listed in the first post.

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