Unfortunately the twitter mob is what drives much of the conversation (mostly one sided) these days that feeds the narrative towards the outside of constructive conversation parameters.DarkImbecile wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:07 pmThe film ultimately isn’t bad because it fails to meet Film Twitter’s standards of wokeness —
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BAhaha... oh man, I love Schrader.DarkImbecile wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:45 pmPaul Schrader, meanwhile, had the best quote:Schrader, who predicted his loss to “Green Book” weeks ago, wandered past. “You can’t compete with mediocrity,” he said, and chuckled.
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BlacKkKlansman? A film make by a black man with a black lead protagonist?
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I think he’s saying the Spike Lee film would be Best Other Picture.
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Did people really think that Roma was the odds-on favorite to win Picture?
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Not to toot my own horn here, but that went down exactly like I predicted it would.Finch wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:06 pmFWIW Anonymous Voter Thinks He Knows How 'Green Book' Beat 'Roma'
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I’m friends with one of the Golden Derby prognosticators. He thought Roma was a slam dunk. But did say the only way it could not, was by voters giving it Foreign film and then going in different direction for best picture.
Edit: Like Brian C suggested
Edit: Like Brian C suggested
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Why do people keep assuming that preferential voting helped Film X more than Film Y? A) How would any of them know? B) Even if it's true, why would it be a bad thing?
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In terms of Roma I could see voters not wanting to give it both awards but the Green Book and Spike Lee reasoning I don’t necessarily buy.
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That wasn't a reasoning, it was anecdotal evidence, i.e. I know people who voted for both and didn't see a contradiction in that
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This is probably true, otherwise there wouldn't be questions almost every year about the winners...
Regardless, many Academy members, sad to say, aren't very rigorous and don't hold their choices to a high standard; the award is for excellence and artistry, not whether a movie made you feel good.
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Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people blame the preferential ballot for Green Book’s win — even calling for a return to the simple plurality ballot that went with the former five-nominee system, which makes no sense to me — as if it somehow systematically favors the more mainstream nominees.
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Yup. Still means people were voting for Green Book over BlackkKlansman, The Favourite, or whatever else should've come in 2nd or 3rd place.DarkImbecile wrote:Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people blame the preferential ballot for Green Book’s win — even calling for a return to the simple plurality ballot that went with the former five-nominee system, which makes no sense to me — as if it somehow systematically favors the more mainstream nominees.
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I imagine the main outcome of green book winning will simply be that the cohorts within the academy that organized successful bloc voting at the nominations stage after oscars so white (Roman Israel esquire oscar nominated because of well organized bloc voting!), will manage to convince people to more strategically structure their instant run off ballots with some bloc preferences—look back to how many leaked ballots had voters saying they only put two or three films in their instant run off ballot. Big strategic failure to do so.
Instant run offs are pretty vulnerable to organized voting blocs, at least in terms of surviving the initial rounds of culling, so gaming the system to your advantage instead of being victimized by it is definitely possible.
But I doubt most years will have such a clear contrast as this year, so it may not have much short term effect.
Instant run offs are pretty vulnerable to organized voting blocs, at least in terms of surviving the initial rounds of culling, so gaming the system to your advantage instead of being victimized by it is definitely possible.
But I doubt most years will have such a clear contrast as this year, so it may not have much short term effect.