Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

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New Films in Production, v.2

#1 Post by sir_luke » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:36 pm

I was worried that this would happen, and sure enough

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Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#3 Post by bearcuborg » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:59 pm

Toy Story 4

I have to say, based on the trailer, I have little to no interest. It looks like a rehash...

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#4 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:38 pm

Too bad the Rashida Jones-scripted version never came to fruition, this indeed looks like Retread City, and why they’re bringing back a character from the worst installment like it’s a big deal is a mystery

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#5 Post by Glowingwabbit » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:48 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:38 pm
Too bad the Rashida Jones-scripted version never came to fruition, this indeed looks like Retread City, and why they’re bringing back a character from the worst installment like it’s a big deal is a mystery
I haven't watched the trailer yet, what character from Toy Story 2 comes back?

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#6 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:48 pm

Bo Peep

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#7 Post by Kirkinson » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:49 pm

She was in the original, too.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#8 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:49 pm

Was she? Shows how much I’ve retained from this franchise

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#9 Post by Glowingwabbit » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:49 pm

Blah... but I'm glad it's agreed that number 2 is the worst installment so far

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#10 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:51 pm

I thought it was apt that even without specifying you knew I was talking about the second one!

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#11 Post by Glowingwabbit » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:57 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:51 pm
I thought it was apt that even without specifying you knew I was talking about the second one!
It was a test. But I also forgot that Bo Peep was an original character too (which makes sense given the character's absence)

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#12 Post by Kirkinson » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:58 pm

As far as I recall, she was never much of a "character" outside of being Woody's love interest, especially in the first one. She was just important enough that being written out in a line of dialogue in Toy Story 3 was enough for a momentarily sad character beat for him, but not enough for her absence to really affect the story or the cast dynamic in any way.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#13 Post by Brian C » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:19 pm

I’m confused. 2 is clearly the best one, and 3 is the mean-spirited and unnecessary retread.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#14 Post by knives » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:42 pm

I think we can agree all three are terrible and we should just watch Musker and Clements films instead.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#15 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:45 pm

I think you know almost no one here is going to agree to that. I liked the first one a lot, for the record, though I’m not sure I have any desire to see it or the other films again

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#16 Post by knives » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:48 pm

I was being cheeky, but I guess the internet's inability to convey tone strikes again. My personal feelings are that all three are okay, but inessential.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#17 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:51 pm

All three are sold children's films, but now that popular culture as a whole has required that we treat kid pix (like that new Spider-Man animated film, which was very enjoyable but still ostensibly a film made for children) like all ages blockbusters, it'll likely be held to a needlessly high standard despite just being the fourth Toy Story film

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#18 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:53 pm

The original Toy Story and the third one were massively praised on release by adult critics and audiences alike precisely because they were not mere “children’s films”

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#19 Post by knives » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:54 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:51 pm
All three are sold children's films, but now that popular culture as a whole has required that we treat kid pix (like that new Spider-Man animated film, which was very enjoyable but still ostensibly a film made for children) like all ages blockbusters, it'll likely be held to a needlessly high standard despite just being the fourth Toy Story film
I'm not sure if I get you. Obviously first and foremost they need to be judged as movies intended for single digit kids, but that doesn't mean that you should have low standards. After all there are hundreds of great films which meet that standard even within Disney's own canon.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#20 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:56 pm

I liked them both, but I suppose like you mentioned above Dom, I see very little reason to revisit them at this point. But the entire crux of why I said that is: I don't see a problem with that at all, not everything is gonna be for everyone. If this is a stale retread that makes a bunch of kids happy, then good on 'em for making it. My nephew was over the moon for Cars 2, but there's plenty of cinephiles in their 20s and 30s who inexplicably took it personally when it didn't live up to Pixar's artistic standard and hot streak of positive critical reception. Not everything should have to.

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#21 Post by knives » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:01 pm

Couldn't you apply that logic to any film/ group? How is that any different from the latest Transformers or whatever for example. Children deserve respect for their intelligence as well and there is enough of a surplus of great childrens work out there that being made happy strikes me as a needlessly low aim. In recent years, for example, you have The Peanuts Movie, Song of the Sea, and Paranorman just to name a few obvious choices.

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#22 Post by Glowingwabbit » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:02 pm

I only remember the entire Car's franchise being hated on (for good reason) by cinephiles in their 20s-30s.

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#23 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:04 pm

Yes, I could apply that logic to any film/group, although films made for children inevitably have an entirely different audience to please than most other genres of films. It's not as though Cars 2, to continue that example, wasn't made about as well as it possibly could have been considering what it is. It just didn't hold much appeal for adult viewers. And that's alright. Toy Story 3, in particular, held an unexpectedly immense amount of appeal for adult viewers (myself included to some extent), but that doesn't mean that Pixar needs to have that in the back of their minds every time out from now on, does it?
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I only remember the entire Car's franchise being hated on (for good reason) by cinephiles in their 20s-30s.
Because it wasn't made for them?

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#24 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:07 pm

Cool cinematic fascism bro

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Re: Toy Story 4 (Josh Cooley, 2019)

#25 Post by knives » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:11 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:04 pm
Yes, I could apply that logic to any film/group, although films made for children inevitably have an entirely different audience to please than most other genres of films. It's not as though Cars 2, to continue that example, wasn't made about as well as it possibly could have been considering what it is. It just didn't hold much appeal for adult viewers. And that's alright. Toy Story 3, in particular, held an unexpectedly immense amount of appeal for adult viewers (myself included to some extent), but that doesn't mean that Pixar needs to have that in the back of their minds every time out from now on, does it?
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I only remember the entire Car's franchise being hated on (for good reason) by cinephiles in their 20s-30s.
Because it wasn't made for them?
I haven't seen the Cars sequels so I can't speak to them. To use an example I am familiar with though, Carlos Saldanha's films are very popular with children and definitely shouldn't be judged according to adult standards. That said I would argue in spite of their popularity they aren't as well made as their goals entail and they could easily be improved upon while remaining engaging and fun for children. I don't think I'm expressing a ridiculously high standard either. While for older children then I think we are talking about the last three or four Dreamworks films strike me as at least striving to be great films directed at children. (this again to say I'm basically indifferent to Pixar on the whole; I am merely arguing that there are better choices for children out there so they don't deserve a pass when they do act lazily).

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