There is of course more risk involved with the ten-year option though. I mean, what happens if the world ends in 2018? Then you're going to wish you had gone with the three-year option.jindianajonz wrote:The ten year is a much better value- over three times the movies for a 60% increase in price. Or to put it another way, if we assume there are 40 titles per year, the first $1500 only gives you 120 movies, but the next $1000 gives you 280 movies.
I think if they bumped the 3 year option up to 5 years, it would probably sell a lot better, but as it stands the cheaper option just doesn't seem like a great value.
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- EddieLarkin
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Certainly it's better value but it's many times the risk. A lot of things can change in 10 years, including the potential failure of Arrow's business or the complete collapse of the physical media market (or as swo says, we might get hit by an asteroid). In comparison I'm certain that anyone going for the 3 year option would get a full 3 years of content.
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If steady releases persist for at least 5 years, then the 10-year option starts to become the better deal. If they persist for the full 10 years, then the 10-year option ends up being twice as good of a deal.
P.S. I didn't say it might happen...
P.S. I didn't say it might happen...
- DrunkenFatherFigure
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To put it simply, and to clarify for those of you who may not be great at math, assuming the same number of films released each year (which I realize is likely not the best assumption), the 10-year plan is exactly twice the value on a per-film basis than the 3-year plan.
To put it even more simply, the per-film cost of the 10-year plan is half the per-film cost of the 3-year plan.
Or, if you like specific numbers, if we assume 24 films released each year (roughly their UK release rate over the past 5 years), the 3-year plan gets you 72 films at a cost of $20.84 per film, and the 10-year plan gets you 240 films at a cost of $10.42 per film.
To put it even more simply, the per-film cost of the 10-year plan is half the per-film cost of the 3-year plan.
Or, if you like specific numbers, if we assume 24 films released each year (roughly their UK release rate over the past 5 years), the 3-year plan gets you 72 films at a cost of $20.84 per film, and the 10-year plan gets you 240 films at a cost of $10.42 per film.
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Just passed $35,000 after the first week. Some more cool title announcements should keep things moving along. I am curious, are the Arrow USA titles set to be Region A/B, or will it vary depending on the title? I have a multi-region player here in Melbourne but invariably (as with other friends of mine in the same boat) we prioritise Region B so we don't have to muck about changing player regions back and forth, and we can loan our discs to friends or family who aren't kitted out with a similar player. If the various Arrow USA bundles are Region A/B ala the MARK OF THE DEVIL disc that was released in the UK, I might jump in for a bundle myself before the campaign ends.
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But in 2014 alone they've released 41 films (excluding December), which surely has more bearing on their future catalog than earlier years do. And they intend to increase their rate of release in 2015. So the savings could potentially be much greater.DrunkenFatherFigure wrote:Or, if you like specific numbers, if we assume 24 films released each year (roughly their UK release rate over the past 5 years), the 3-year plan gets you 72 films at a cost of $20.84 per film, and the 10-year plan gets you 240 films at a cost of $10.42 per film.
Arrow confirmed earlier tonight on Facebook that they will be A/B.Anthony Thorne wrote:I am curious, are the Arrow USA titles set to be Region A/B, or will it vary depending on the title? I have a multi-region player here in Melbourne but invariably (as with other friends of mine in the same boat) we prioritise Region B so we don't have to muck about changing player regions back and forth, and we can loan our discs to friends or family who aren't kitted out with a similar player. If the various Arrow USA bundles are Region A/B ala the MARK OF THE DEVIL disc that was released in the UK, I might jump in for a bundle myself before the campaign ends.
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The prices might actually be declining in real terms over the periods specified if you take inflation into account (ex. It now takes $126.45 to equal the purchasing power of 100 2004 dollars).DrunkenFatherFigure wrote: Or, if you like specific numbers, if we assume 24 films released each year (roughly their UK release rate over the past 5 years), the 3-year plan gets you 72 films at a cost of $20.84 per film, and the 10-year plan gets you 240 films at a cost of $10.42 per film.
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Good point - I've was trying to make a conservative estimate, since there will likely be unexpected obstacles. Their release rate in 2012 plummeted after a warehouse fire in late 2011, so crazy stuff can happen. Plus, it seems likely that the release rate may be a little slower than ideal when they start out in 2015, just as they get their footing in the new market (another reason why the 10-year plan is a much better deal). It probably won't be as slow as it was when they started in the UK in 2009 (where they averaged less than 1 film a month for the 6 months they were doing releases), but I think 24 films a year is a good enough minimum expectation.EddieLarkin wrote:But in 2014 alone they've released 41 films (excluding December), which surely has more bearing on their future catalog than earlier years do. And they intend to increase their rate of release in 2015. So the savings could potentially be much greater.
As a sidenote, I wonder if they could offer a 3-year plan that included years 2018-2021 instead of 2015-2018. That would reduce a lot of the risk of what their initial release rate will be, although the delayed gratification might be hard to bear.
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For the savings compared to buying everything full price the purchasing power comes into it, but if we're just thinking about it in terms of the per-film cost, then the inflation rate is irrelevant, since you'll be paying the money in 2014 dollars. I think it's more worthwhile to think about it in terms of how much each film is worth it to you, especially since your "savings" will always be based off of MSRP, which is pretty arbitrary. Essentially, is it worth it to buy 240 films (probably more) at $10.42 a piece given that you have to buy all of them?Jack Phillips wrote:The prices might actually be declining in real terms over the periods specified if you take inflation into account (ex. It now takes $126.45 to equal the purchasing power of 100 2004 dollars).
Of course, this isn't even considering how often they'll release a film with both a steelbook and an amray case where you get both versions. Anybody have statistics on how often they release films in both formats?
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It'll be a lot more than 24 per year - extrapolating over a five-year period isn't statistically helpful because the Arrow team is now a fair bit bigger than it was back in 2009/10, and the release slate consequently more ambitious.DrunkenFatherFigure wrote:Or, if you like specific numbers, if we assume 24 films released each year (roughly their UK release rate over the past 5 years), the 3-year plan gets you 72 films at a cost of $20.84 per film, and the 10-year plan gets you 240 films at a cost of $10.42 per film.
So it's much more realistic to look at what's been happing in the years during which the current team were fully in place - where you'll find that 2013 saw 33 Arrow Video releases, and 2014 has already notched up 29 in January to October alone, so will certainly exceed that by the end of December.
In other words, you'd be better off upping your figures from 24 to 32 releases per year, which would be much closer to the reality. Whereupon the cost drops to $15.62 per release for the three-year plan (96 releases total) and $7.81 per release for the ten-year one (320 releases total).
It's also worth flagging up that the ten-year packages are going fast - there are just seven left at the time of writing.
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And only four available as of nowMichaelB wrote:It's also worth flagging up that the ten-year packages are going fast - there are just seven left at the time of writing.
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Yes, there was a rather gratifying surge this afternoon.
In fact, I've been very pleasantly surprised by how it's gone, especially since only four actual titles have been announced (although I hope a fifth is imminent - another title which, like Dr Jekyll, has been much-requested and which is also getting a brand new restoration.)
In fact, I've been very pleasantly surprised by how it's gone, especially since only four actual titles have been announced (although I hope a fifth is imminent - another title which, like Dr Jekyll, has been much-requested and which is also getting a brand new restoration.)
- EddieLarkin
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Now 3, meaning it's over 50%! I wonder if it'd be prudent to add another 10 or so 10 year lists.
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I asked Arrow via email if this was a possibility and they said no. I will have the money later this afternoon, but am worried that I will be too late.EddieLarkin wrote:I wonder if it'd be prudent to add another 10 or so 10 year lists.
Edit: Wow, another one just sold, making 5 so far today. Figures that people happened to pick today to buy them all up, in an hour I will probably be out of luck.
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You don't actually pay until the project ends though, right?
And I'm a little concerned about the project's chances once the 10-year gold list options are up, as the lower options don't seem to be getting enough traction to make up the rest of the $100K goal.
And I'm a little concerned about the project's chances once the 10-year gold list options are up, as the lower options don't seem to be getting enough traction to make up the rest of the $100K goal.
- EddieLarkin
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That's Kickstarter. Indiegogo take it up front and then refund you if necessary.
- Cash Flagg
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No, you are charged immediately, which is the problem for me.swo17 wrote:You don't actually pay until the project ends though, right?
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They are now sold out of the 10 Year Gold option.
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They've now also passed the 60k mark. Woo!
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Wow it started slow but that's great. Being low on cash for the rest of the year, I would be very happy if they hit their goal and I didn't have to contribute. But obviously best wishes to all involved!
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They should drum up a few more of the $2500 gold list (or similar) perks under a different title with maybe a free exclusive t-shirt chucked in, as with more than a month and a half to go they'd probably shift a few more of them. Regardless, with new perks and title announcements apparently coming I'd say things are looking very good for this one.
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Wow that's disappointing! I was going to buy one after my payday on the 15th, so at least I missed it by a few days, rather than an hour. If they're not willing to sell more of the 10-year plans, I wonder if they'd be willing to make the 3-year plan better by turning it into a 5-year plan? I would buy it then, but the 3-year plan as it is just doesn't sound good to me without good knowledge of what their release rate would be. I'd rather get the 10-release bundle which is at least tied to a specific number of films rather than a length of time.Cash Flagg wrote:I will have the money later this afternoon, but am worried that I will be too late.
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I'd be up for that, as long as it doesn't require collectivization of agriculture.DrunkenFatherFigure wrote:I wonder if they'd be willing to make the 3-year plan better by turning it into a 5-year plan?
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No, just re-education through Fulci.
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If Arrow wants to go after the collector's market I would prefer they use spine numbers instead of steelbooks. Steelbooks only impact sales on the high profile releases while spine numbers encourage people to blind buy titles they would otherwise pass on. I suppose they could do both like Masters of Cinema.