As I mentioned a couple of pages back, Frost's book is a quick, fun read; not great, but a welcomed perspective (2016's "The Secret History of Twin Peaks" was considerably stronger). I think the book is worthwhile just for providing...mfunk9786 wrote:I asked the biggest Twin Peaks fanatic I know how this was, and he replied with a pretty thudding "eh." Was glad that Lynch throws Frost the bone of getting to do these books as what is likely a concession for the sake of their collaboration but feels they're pretty poor.tenia wrote:And then read The Final Dossier, I guess (though I dont know if it's any good).
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Well, for me, I find the ending to the European version of the pilot to be a rush job which does no favors to where the story/series goes from there.
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...confirmation of Sarah Palmer as the host for "Judy" and for the implication that a number of the events seen in Season 3 are the result of Agent Cooper altering the timeline in his attempt to spare Laura Palmer's life.
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I agree with you that it was a rush job - that's clear from the fact that Lynch reportedly skimmed the fine print of his contract and wasn't even aware he had to deliver a European theatrical version until he was on set. But I think it's unfair to say it does the story no favors because all of that was basically made up on the spot and then they story was carefully worked out based on the fact that this throwaway stuff that Lynch came up with was just too interesting to throw away on an alternate version. So I would say this little rush job did the world of Twin Peaks an incredible amount of favors in the grand scheme of things!Roger Ryan wrote:Well, for me, I find the ending to the European version of the pilot to be a rush job which does no favors to where the story/series goes from there.
As for the Final Dossier, my own 2 cents is that it is the weakest spinoff book (my favorite being the Access Guide, followed by Cooper's Tapes). It has a couple of interesting sections but much of it feels gratuitous and a little sloppy - however, be warned on all of these books; for such an enormous artistic achievement the series and films are, there isn't one of the books that could even approach anything resembling superior literature - at least in my opinion.
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Also Annie’s fate.Roger Ryan wrote:Well, for me, I find the ending to the European version of the pilot to be a rush job which does no favors to where the story/series goes from there.As I mentioned a couple of pages back, Frost's book is a quick, fun read; not great, but a welcomed perspective (2016's "The Secret History of Twin Peaks" was considerably stronger). I think the book is worthwhile just for providing...mfunk9786 wrote:I asked the biggest Twin Peaks fanatic I know how this was, and he replied with a pretty thudding "eh." Was glad that Lynch throws Frost the bone of getting to do these books as what is likely a concession for the sake of their collaboration but feels they're pretty poor.tenia wrote:And then read The Final Dossier, I guess (though I dont know if it's any good).SpoilerShow...confirmation of Sarah Palmer as the host for "Judy" and for the implication that a number of the events seen in Season 3 are the result of Agent Cooper altering the timeline in his attempt to spare Laura Palmer's life.
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Everything I've read about the books is that they serve as curiosities and are essentially fan fiction. A friend has them and I've flipped through them, but don't see how they could add value to the show itself -- the show is not improved by explanation. The books may be diverting enough on their own, of course, I can't judge without having read them myself.
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For me the two books are of value because they shift things from "the world of Twin Peaks" to "the world Twin Peaks is part of", which the new run also does. I also felt they did a good job clarifying some things while never fully explaining them, adding new wrinkles and lines of thought.
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I read the final dossier on a flight the other day, and it took about 3 hours. While some of the parts mentioned here were interesting, and it stayed more focused than Secret History, there was still a lot of padding and filler. About a quarter of the book simply recounts what happened on screen in season 3, and the new developments aren't nearly enough to justify the price.
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I agree. I think it was helpful to have just a few things nailed down a bit more firmly, considering how outrageously complex and baffling the series was. Much as I love it, Twin Peaks 3 makes Inland Empire look simple!AlexHansen wrote:I also felt they did a good job clarifying some things while never fully explaining them, adding new wrinkles and lines of thought.
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That's because it's nonsense! "Judy" and "Dougie" only have two phonemes in common out of four (/d/ and /i/), and they're next to each other in "Judy" and at opposite ends of "Dougie"! The other vowels are completely different and the /dʒ/ in "Judy" and the /g/ in "Dougie" are completely unrelated: they're formed in different parts of the mouth (palato-alveolar vs. velar) in different ways (affricate vs. stop). This is just a case of inventing 'evidence' to prop up a sagging theory.Robin Davies wrote:I don't understand this!R0lf wrote:Or if you use phonetics Judy is is just Dougie backwards.
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There's an interesting four-part article on Twin Peaks: the Return by Nick Pinkerton at Reverse Shot starting here.
The reference to George Lucas repeatedly saying he would like to make experimental films reminded me that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that he had actually done this on a secret, self-funded basis at some point, although I suspect this wouldn't come to light during his lifetime.
The reference to George Lucas repeatedly saying he would like to make experimental films reminded me that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that he had actually done this on a secret, self-funded basis at some point, although I suspect this wouldn't come to light during his lifetime.
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Has there been any recent news regarding the box set for the first two seasons? As far as I can tell, it’s still out of print stateside. Is a Criterion rerelease of the series something that’s even imaginable?
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No, but it almost certainly went out of print because of the rights to the movie changing hands. Judging from how long it's taken between sets in the past, I wouldn't hold my breath for resolution in the form of a new SKU too quickly - just buy it from the UK.
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I'm pretty sure I've read that this is exactly what has happened, and he has only screened these works for select family and friends.AidanKing wrote: The reference to George Lucas repeatedly saying he would like to make experimental films reminded me that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that he had actually done this on a secret, self-funded basis at some point, although I suspect this wouldn't come to light during his lifetime.
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See this is where it helps to use my full sentence quote without cutting off the end.zedz wrote:That's because it's nonsense! "Judy" and "Dougie" only have two phonemes in common out of four (/d/ and /i/), and they're next to each other in "Judy" and at opposite ends of "Dougie"! The other vowels are completely different and the /dʒ/ in "Judy" and the /g/ in "Dougie" are completely unrelated: they're formed in different parts of the mouth (palato-alveolar vs. velar) in different ways (affricate vs. stop). This is just a case of inventing 'evidence' to prop up a sagging theory.Robin Davies wrote:I don't understand this!R0lf wrote:Or if you use phonetics Judy is is just Dougie backwards.
The Naido/Diane reasoning follows your explanation too yes?R0lf wrote:Or if you use phonetics Judy is is just Dougie backwards the same way Naido is Diane.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but 'Naido' isn't 'Diane' backwards either. They've got three phonemes in common, and they are indeed reversed, but 'Diane' has an extra two phonemes in the middle - /ja/ - and 'Naido' has one at the end. If you're going to rely on evidence as convoluted and esoteric as this, it has to be pretty damn precise, and preferably have some kind of supporting context (though I'll grant that the prevalence of backwards talking in the Red Room arguably provides this for Twin Peaks). The above isn't reasoning: it's a random observation that's demonstrably false plastered over with confirmation bias.R0lf wrote:See this is where it helps to use my full sentence quote without cutting off the end.
The Naido/Diane reasoning follows your explanation too yes?R0lf wrote:Or if you use phonetics Judy is is just Dougie backwards the same way Naido is Diane.
Off the top of my head, here are some other characters whose names have just as many phonemes in common with 'Judy' as 'Dougie':
Gerard, Audrey, Candie, Mandie, Sandie, Andy, Jerry, Johnny, Jacoby, Nadine, Freddie, Heidi, Jade, Sonny Jim, Janey-E, Bradley, Rodney, Jeffries, Marjorie.
If your theory is that 'Dougie' and 'Judy' are similar enough to be significant, you're going to also have to explain the cosmic significance of everybody else on that list. Or you could just conclude that David Lynch has a thing for names that end with an /i/ sound.
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TV/film/whatever you want to call it, this was my favorite thing that I watched last year. An astounding redirect of the original series into a new and utterly Lynchian long-form experiment/experience. Pretty much everything worked for me on some level (how brilliant to have Cooper's PTSD from 25 years in the Black Lodge channeled into the Tati-esque slow-burn comedy of Dougie, and what an incredible pay-off because Lynch is so patient with it), though some things worked better than others. I, for one, LOVED that finale, episode 18... quite possibly the most haunting hour of television I have ever seen and I can't shake it. To me, only rivaled in the rest of Twin Peaks canon by episode 8 from The Return.
Beautiful box set for the Blu-ray that I will be returning to over and over again for years to come.
Beautiful box set for the Blu-ray that I will be returning to over and over again for years to come.
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Uninterrupted marathon of all 18 episodes of Twin Peaks: The Return to air June 2nd beginning at 4:35 AM EST.
Not sure if this means no Showtime stingers or ads or credits or what, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the word "uninterrupted" to mean anything but back-to-back airings.
The article erroneously indicates that a documentary about Catherine Coulson has been released, but it's actually still in the midst of an as yet unsuccessful Kickstarter that has 22 days to go, it's expected in May 2019.
Not sure if this means no Showtime stingers or ads or credits or what, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the word "uninterrupted" to mean anything but back-to-back airings.
The article erroneously indicates that a documentary about Catherine Coulson has been released, but it's actually still in the midst of an as yet unsuccessful Kickstarter that has 22 days to go, it's expected in May 2019.
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Thanks for mentioning the Catherine Coulson Kickstarter. This is the first I've heard of it! They need to publicise it more.
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Yikes, $250k? To be fair, that's a pretty tall order for a Kickstarter campaign - I've seen campaigns on docs done on high profile subjects and/or made by name filmmakers that go nowhere near that. (So far they have $49k, which is actually really good.) But there's still 22 days left, so we'll see.
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I'm sure it will be back-to-back airings and nothing more. You could lose the repeated opening credit sequence after the first one (along with any Showtime stingers and ads), but you wouldn't want to lose the ending credits: the musical performances or interlude footage that plays under them are an important part of the experience.
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The Secret History of Twin Peaks book is among the remainders at Barnes & Noble for $6.98, I believe, for anyone who hadn't picked it up. It was in the hardback fiction section at my store.
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I thought the “third season” was great, but it has made it impossible for me to enjoy the original episodes in the same way, because the tone of the entire world is so much more severe now, and all the elements of sweetness, purity, and affectionate nostalgia from the original have been almost completely buried. That may have been the point.. but the return series felt, for me, analogous to a kind of threnody..
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It perhaps feels that way because from where I sit, last year's season dealt much more with concerns which are more universal that what was perhaps intended originally. I recently listened to an interview with Mark Frost where he said a point of inspiration was the fall-out from the 2008 market crash, specifically the housing crash. This is reflected when we see the empty homes in Nevada. I highly doubt such prescient matters were of any importance to them in 1989, at least on the surface.
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The original series essentially took place in a 1989 USA that is wholly unrecognizable as our own. Unless I'm forgetting something, there's not a single reference to 80s pop culture/zeitgeist nor even a mention of President Bush, etc. I suppose it's like Blue Velvet in this way: the Eisenhower era in our own time.flyonthewall2983 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:50 amIt perhaps feels that way because from where I sit, last year's season dealt much more with concerns which are more universal that what was perhaps intended originally. I recently listened to an interview with Mark Frost where he said a point of inspiration was the fall-out from the 2008 market crash, specifically the housing crash. This is reflected when we see the empty homes in Nevada. I highly doubt such prescient matters were of any importance to them in 1989, at least on the surface.
The third season however very clearly is set in our post-crash hell.
Together, it's something like a diptych on the postwar American dream.