The Future of Home Video

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John Cope
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Re: The Future of Home Video

#526 Post by John Cope » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:52 am

jedgeco wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:09 pm
I came across this Verge article from a few days ago about small groups using Plex to create their own private streaming networks. While this is the first I've read about it in print, it's an idea that I've thought about for awhile now, ever since I started running an Emby server at home. I realize that these users are operating in a legal grey area, but I think that small private networks like this will undoubtedly have their place for future cineastes, especially as the mainstream pay services become increasingly uninterested in back-catalog and non-mainstream fare.
As someone who participates in one of these I can stipulate to that. There simply is no greater resource than a well curated Plex account.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#527 Post by MichaelB » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:05 pm

jedgeco wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:09 pm
I came across this Verge article from a few days ago about small groups using Plex to create their own private streaming networks. While this is the first I've read about it in print, it's an idea that I've thought about for awhile now, ever since I started running an Emby server at home. I realize that these users are operating in a legal grey area, but I think that small private networks like this will undoubtedly have their place for future cineastes, especially as the mainstream pay services become increasingly uninterested in back-catalog and non-mainstream fare.
It seems to me that either:

(a) they legitimately own or have licensed the material for this kind of distribution;
(b) the material is unarguably in the public domain in all accessible territories;
(c) it's open-and-shut - or, to continue the colour metaphor, black-and-white - copyright infringement.

...and that, realistically, most cases will fall firmly under (c).

What kind of situation do you think gives rise to the kind of confusion that might merit a "legal grey area" description? At least one that might actually stand up in court if challenged?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#528 Post by movielocke » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:16 pm

“Legal grey area”= One is entitled to watch anything ever created for free because one _wants_ to watch it and one is irritated it may not be otherwise as easily available in English friendly release, which is all the rationalization one needs to not feel any guilt over fulfilling one’s wants—after all the _real_ crime is committed against oneself: isn’t it a crime to not get to watch exactly what one wants instantly at all times?

I think rocket the raccoon also explains this all succinctly at the end of guardians of the galaxy.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#529 Post by willoneill » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:36 pm

Don't confuse legal and moral, folks. That happens way too much. For many people in many countries, what jedgeco is describing is very much a legal grey area, if not flat out completely legal.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#530 Post by jedgeco » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:59 pm

willoneill wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:36 pm
Don't confuse legal and moral, folks. That happens way too much. For many people in many countries, what jedgeco is describing is very much a legal grey area, if not flat out completely legal.
No, I was probably a little too nonchalant in my description. Cracking the encryption on a Blu-ray or DVD is, in the US, prohibited by the DMCA (although I believe there could be a Fair Use Doctrine defense for certain uses), but I'm not sure what rights would be implicated for the person watching the content, as streaming the video does not create a copy.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#531 Post by Rayon Vert » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:23 pm

Wouldn't streaming fall under the category of "unauthorized distribution" (as opposed to "reproduction")?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#532 Post by jedgeco » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:33 pm

"Unauthorized distribution," technically, is not an infringing activity under U.S. law. You can infringe the copyright holder's right "to display the copyrighted work publicly" by displaying it "at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered" or "to transmit[ing] it to the public."

"Transmitting" is probably where the person sending the stream could run afoul, but "the public" isn't defined statutorily. I could see arguments on both sides of whether participants in a small, non-public, non-commercial streaming collective are publicly transmitting; it's certainly not something that Congress was contemplating in 1976.

Either way, my comment wasn't really to go off-topic about law, ethics, or morality, but simply to observe that from a technological standpoint (and especially with the increased accessibility of cloud computing and storage), these sort of small networks are likely to have a place in the future of home video.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#533 Post by knives » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:01 pm

This is actually why that one guy is legally allowed to live stream regular tv in media areas where he has placed an antenna.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#534 Post by RitrovataBlue » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:57 am

knives wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:13 pm
RitrovataBlue wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:30 pm
The article doesn’t mention MUBI, of course, since no one ever seems to mention MUBI. Yet, it’s still the best streaming source for the sorts of obscurities the article laments losing. Hell, it might just be the best streaming service in general. Where else can you see Virgil Vernier and Lav Diaz films?
Kanopy?
Kanopy has Season of the Devil and Lullaby to the Sorrowful Mystery? It has Sofia Antipolis? It has From the Clouds to the Resistance? If any streaming service actually has a library that doesn’t overlap with any other’s, it’s MUBI. That said, its 30 days and out time limits often frustrate the hell out of me, and the Roku app crashes all too often. But I’d pick it over the Criterion Channel if forced to choose. It’s the only other unambiguously legal streaming service left that seems to be curated by cinephiles.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#535 Post by knives » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:10 am

It might. I haven't checked. Still it has films from Thom Anderson, Lav Diaz, and many others who used to be such extreme rarities without a time limit that we shouldn't be unappreciative. There's also of course le cinema club for some truely obscure stuff.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#536 Post by ntnon » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:14 pm

jedgeco wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:59 pm
willoneill wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:36 pm
Don't confuse legal and moral, folks.
..Cracking the encryption on a Blu-ray or DVD is, in the US, prohibited by the DMCA (although I believe there could be a Fair Use Doctrine defense for certain uses), but I'm not sure what rights would be implicated for the person watching the content, as streaming the video does not create a copy.
Rayon Vert wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:23 pm
Wouldn't streaming fall under the category of "unauthorized distribution" (as opposed to "reproduction")?
I vaguelly remember when various legal arms were going after people downloading music from Napster... and I think there was a slight distinction made between doenload&deleting vs. downloading&keeping - essentially streaming vs. downloading.

But the distinction was, to my memory, more about which cases they tried to pursue; not simply which they considered more or less illegal.

Surely, technically, only the uploader is 'distributing'. But as the streamer is actively seeking something they may-or-may-not know is legal (and with ignorance usually being no defence), it could still be illegal.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#537 Post by DeprongMori » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:28 pm

Anyone been following what has been going on with Fandor since December, when they laid off their entire staff?

I subscribed during the sale when FilmStruck closed down, but really haven’t watched it since the December announcement. I was surprised to find today that it was still active. However, the streaming quality seems poor. In streaming my first film today, Escape to Burma (1955), I’m finding the video quality low-resolution and dupey, and it is being streamed in the wrong aspect ratio — 1.78 instead of 2.00.

What have others been experiencing? Has anyone heard any news since December?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#538 Post by HinkyDinkyTruesmith » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:11 pm

DeprongMori wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:28 pm
Anyone been following what has been going on with Fandor since December, when they laid off their entire staff?

I subscribed during the sale when FilmStruck closed down, but really haven’t watched it since the December announcement. I was surprised to find today that it was still active. However, the streaming quality seems poor. In streaming my first film today, Escape to Burma (1955), I’m finding the video quality low-resolution and dupey, and it is being streamed in the wrong aspect ratio — 1.78 instead of 2.00.

What have others been experiencing? Has anyone heard any news since December?
I had been subscribed, but changed credit cards mid-December. Fandor's account stuff no longer works––you can't sign up, you can't change things––so I couldn't re-sign-up. However, the Amazon channel for it still works, and I signed up through that. I don't think the video quality is being affected by their state of affairs––they've often only had low-grade transfers of many of their films. But a recent film like Ida is available in full-HD, and looks great.


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Re: The Future of Home Video

#540 Post by Gregory » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:10 am

That was great.

Based on that dramatization, "what happens when you watch DVD" is akin to the characters of Requiem for a Dream, and the superior audio-visual quality imprison you in a world of delusion and reckless desperation. Then, when the DVD is over, you are left as a hollow shell of your former self, and your entire block reduced to rubble.

What's the film shown at 0:47 with the UFO on Easter Island?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#541 Post by cdnchris » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:12 am

Gregory wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:10 am
What's the film shown at 0:47 with the UFO on Easter Island?
I'm pretty sure it's Mars Attacks!

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#542 Post by Gregory » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:19 am

You're right, thanks. Coincidentally, I recently placed a hold on that Blu-ray at my library to finally see it. That shot just looks so poorly chosen for an ad like that, considering what other special effects were available then to showcase, not to mention the film having been a box-office flop. (I'm completely looking forward to finally catching up with Mars Attacks!, though.)

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#543 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:26 pm

I feel so old now, as I remember being disappointed at first that my DVD did not come complete with stock footage sound effects of gunshots and whirring noises whenever a button was pressed on it!

To go a generation further back I still vividly remember this trailer for the first widescreen version of Fox films on VHS (NSFW) (mostly because I was first introduced to and then became caught up in a cycle of rewatching Alien constantly on that widescreen VHS for a couple of years, so always saw that trailer beforehand!), although it is still a bit cheesy to have the audio gimmick of the sound going from tinny mono for pan and scanned to stereo for widescreen! I suppose they were releasing them in Stereo too, so that was an extra selling point.

And Mars Attacks! is fantastic. I seem to recall the Easter Island bit is part of the montage that also includes the aliens manipulating which way the Washington Monument falls in order to squash a group of visiting Boy Scouts! The only film to suggest that Slim Whitman music has some sort of purpose!

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#544 Post by Orlac » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:07 pm

And by default, it's the best American film to feature Godzilla!

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#545 Post by Gregory » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:13 pm

Only if it beats Pee-wee's Big Adventure.

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