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Re: Michael Mann

#176 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:46 am

Ebiri said on Twitter that work is still being done on Hue, and that Mann was in Vietnam recently.

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#177 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:07 pm

He spoke recently about projects he has in the pipeline, including a potential follow-up to Heat, the Hue mini-series, a project on the Golden Triangle, and a historical Western he is developing with Eric Roth.

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Re: Michael Mann

#178 Post by HJackson » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:58 pm

There was so much depth there -- it was always a question of 'How do you do a sequel?'
Bit of a weird question given LA Takedown was meant to be an ongoing series ala Crime Story. You’d think he’d have plenty to work with from the off.

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Re: Michael Mann

#179 Post by Brian C » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:48 pm

Unless all of the key elements of the series were compressed into one long movie.

I love HEAT, but I have to confess that Mann’s description of the potential sequel doesn’t sound so interesting. By far the most interesting of the three projects discussed is the Comanche one. But it sounds like none of these projects are likely to be made so I suppose it’s all moot.

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Re: Michael Mann

#180 Post by HJackson » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:59 pm

IIRC LA Takedown, completed from the failed pilot, is pretty much Heat on a lower budget and without some of the peripheral subplots. But additional work was seemingly done on it between pilot and standalone movie, similar to the development of Mulholland Drive as I understand it, so the narrative conclusion probably terminated many of the threads that would’ve been left open for development - and I’m probably overestimating how much long-term story thought is necessarily put into a series at the point a pilot is made in any case.

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Re: Michael Mann

#181 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:55 pm

Brian C wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:48 pm
But it sounds like none of these projects are likely to be made so I suppose it’s all moot.
I really hope we get the Hue mini-series. Assuming FX and Michael de Luca are still behind this 100% I think we'll get it.

I am less than enthused about a Heat follow-up of any kind. The movie is just so perfect and complete a story that any attempt at continuing the narrative would be pulling at threads.

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Re: Michael Mann

#182 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:00 am

Sadly, I was told by people who have worked adjacent to Mann that a lot of it is just talk. Now that boomers are dying off, no one wants to see anything Vietnam related and that Hollywood has responded very negatively to that project. Following the failure of Blackhat, he hasn't been able to get projects off the ground due. He keeps getting close, but money falls through and the projects are quietly cancelled.

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#183 Post by Brian C » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:23 pm

The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote:Sadly, I was told by people who have worked adjacent to Mann that a lot of it is just talk. Now that boomers are dying off, no one wants to see anything Vietnam related and that Hollywood has responded very negatively to that project. Following the failure of Blackhat, he hasn't been able to get projects off the ground due. He keeps getting close, but money falls through and the projects are quietly cancelled.
This makes a lot of sense to me on all counts and more or less is why I said earlier that none of these projects seemed likely to happen.

The thing is ... Mann is 76 years old, was never terribly prolific, has a spotty box office record, and now has made one film in the last decade. BLACKHAT was a career-threatening bomb even before taking all those other factors into account.

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Re: Michael Mann

#184 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:51 pm

The Elegant Dandy Fop wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:00 am
Sadly, I was told by people who have worked adjacent to Mann that a lot of it is just talk. Now that boomers are dying off, no one wants to see anything Vietnam related and that Hollywood has responded very negatively to that project. Following the failure of Blackhat, he hasn't been able to get projects off the ground due. He keeps getting close, but money falls through and the projects are quietly cancelled.
Fuck

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#185 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:42 pm

He has enough cred to get foreign investors

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Re: Michael Mann

#186 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:47 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:42 pm
He has enough cred to get foreign investors
If TEDF is saying he's heard this from people around Mann, I would have very little reason to doubt him, unfortunately.

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#187 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:54 pm

He mentioned Hollywood. Didn’t say anything in regards to foreign markets. Perhaps Mann hasn’t gone that route.

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Re: Michael Mann

#188 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:55 pm

I suppose my question would then be: If the money is out there to make the movie, why isn't the movie being made?

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#189 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:00 pm

I guess I would say how much money? Is he looking for a ridiculous amount? That could scare off investors.

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Re: Michael Mann

#190 Post by domino harvey » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:01 pm

They may be making demands as far as casting or filming locations as well

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Re: Michael Mann

#191 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:21 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:55 pm
I suppose my question would then be: If the money is out there to make the movie, why isn't the movie being made?
Not a movie, a mini-series.

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Re: Michael Mann

#192 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:28 pm

Tomato, tomato

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#193 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:37 pm

I will admit ignorance but I've never heard of foreign investors having the same kind of sway over an American television product the way it would a movie out of Hollywood.

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Re: Michael Mann

#194 Post by Brian C » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:45 pm

It seems extremely easy to believe that no one would want to give Michael Mann a bunch of money - or any money, frankly - to make a series about Vietnam. I love the guy but even I wouldn’t give him more than maybe fifty bucks to get that made.

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Re: Michael Mann

#195 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:58 pm

Brian C wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:45 pm
It seems extremely easy to believe that no one would want to give Michael Mann a bunch of money - or any money, frankly - to make a series about Vietnam. I love the guy but even I wouldn’t give him more than maybe fifty bucks to get that made.
Brian is right on.

It's a common misconception about the film business that somehow foreign investors are who you go to when Hollywood closes their wallets because they'll pay for anything, and if it worked that way, every independent filmmaker would be able to make anything they wanted. Just because someone doesn't work for a studio doesn't mean they like to lose money on something. It's very difficult to get films financed - look at First Reformed for example, and how many financiers have their names and logos appear before the opening titles. It's almost literally a rodeo of going around trying to gather up checks and add them all up to something resembling a budget for some people - and if you're Michael Mann with an ambitious idea that'll cost a good chunk of change, that's going to have to be a lot of checks.

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