2010s List Discussion and Suggestions (Lists Project Vol. 3)

An ongoing survey of the Criterion Forum membership to create lists of the best films of each decade and genre.
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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#226 Post by jindianajonz » Tue May 31, 2016 11:47 am

Tommaso wrote:The bigger surprise for me is that only two people voted for "Hard to be a God", a film that has also received quite a bit of discussion here and has a widely praised Arrow release. Too hard stuff for most people? ;)
For myself, it was a (self inflicted) lack of access. This was the last film I really wanted to watch before submitting my list, but for the last 2 months I've been unable to find my Blu-ray anywhere in my house!

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#227 Post by Trees » Tue May 31, 2016 11:48 am

Thanks for all of your work and effort in this, swo! This list gives me a number of new films to check out.

One thing that strikes me is that documentaries did not fare very well in this competition.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#228 Post by swo17 » Tue May 31, 2016 11:48 am

For anyone that believes that mods are inherently better people with more valuable opinions than others, here would have been the top 10 if only we (i.e. myself, zedz, domino, and mfunk) had voted:

01. Melancholia (Lars von Trier, 2011)
02. My Joy (Sergei Loznitsa, 2010)
03. The Turin Horse (Béla Tarr & Ágnes Hranitzky, 2011)
04. ¡Vivan las antípodas! (Victor Kossakovsky, 2011)
05. Moonrise Kingdom (Wes Anderson, 2012)
06. Holy Motors (Leos Carax, 2012)
07. Young Adult (Jason Reitman, 2011)
08. Phoenix (Christian Petzold, 2014)
09. Jauja (Lisandro Alonso, 2014)
10. Certified Copy (Abbas Kiarostami, 2010)

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#229 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Tue May 31, 2016 11:53 am

Orphans were:

5. Heartbeats (Dolan) - Dolan massively divides opinion, but Heartbeats is kinda like Jules et Jim but with the Knife on the soundtrack
6. Death of a Man in the Balkans (Momčilović) - saw this at a festival, don't think it ever got any kind of release. Serbian black comedy
12. Side Effects (Soderbergh) - minor Soderbergh but an excellent thriller
14. Of Gods and Men (Beavois) - sometimes a bit overdone but I liked it
16. Elena (Zvyagintsev) - liked this more than Leviathan, another moral fable in money-obsessed Russia
20. The Guest (Wingard) - good fun, who saw Dan Stevens as a ripped anti-hero?
21. Compliance (Zobel) - creeped me the hell out but hard to shake
23. A Story of Children and Film (Cousins) - great documentary on films about kids

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#230 Post by jindianajonz » Tue May 31, 2016 12:15 pm

Orphans for me were:
15 Cosmopolis
20 Contagion
25 Cloud Atlas

Cloud Atlas and Contagion weren't too surprising for me, but I expected a little bit more out of Cosmopolis. I would also be shocked at how low Timbuktu fared (which was my personal number 4) after seeing how crowded this list felt, I can understand that a lot of worthy films couldn't quite make the cut. With most other decades I'm fairly content to draw the line at 50, with only a handful beyond that which I regret not having room for, but this time around there were a good 10 films that I felt deserved a final placement yet couldn't squeeze in.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#231 Post by colinr0380 » Tue May 31, 2016 12:17 pm

I'm really glad that The Immigrant just made it into the top 50. I'm hoping that all of the problems with Weinstein company releases are factoring into the low placement of that and Snowpiercer (one of my orphans!), both of which still remain unreleased in the UK in any form, and of course the problematic multiple cuts of The Grandmaster don't help things there either.

As might be apparent from my relative lack of postings in the thread, I tried to just pick and choose from the films that I've seen over the years rather than make special efforts to cram for this project, mostly because of the 25 vote limit and the fear that watching anything new might bump out an essential title from my already overcrowded list! I've been really happy that my top 5 to 10 choices on my vote are already films that I don't feel as if I could ever do without, and it was just about deciding whether The Grandmaster, I Wish and The Immigrant took the number 1 position!

Anyway my orphans were the following. Because I'm lazy I'll just link to the comments I made in the various threads to justify them!:

8. National Gallery
11. Journey To The West
13. Goltzius and the Pelican Company
14. Robinson In Ruins
16. Snowpiercer
18. Meanwhile
23. Lost River

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#232 Post by swo17 » Tue May 31, 2016 12:24 pm

jindianajonz wrote:I would also be shocked at how low Timbuktu fared
I was surprised by how well it fared--it placed 74 positions higher than expected. For a while there it was even in the top 50!

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#233 Post by Tommaso » Tue May 31, 2016 12:27 pm

I had "Goltzius" as well as "Timbuktu" on early versions of my list, and then had to take them off for some films I slightly preferred. But if the second half of the decade will present us with a somewhat lower number of great films than the first half (which I felt was probably the strongest since the 1980s), it might well happen that I'll vote for them when it comes to the list for the whole decade in four or five years.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#234 Post by Trees » Tue May 31, 2016 12:27 pm

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Jiro's face after he logged onto the Criterion 2010-2014 thread to check results.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#235 Post by jindianajonz » Tue May 31, 2016 12:40 pm

swo17 wrote:
jindianajonz wrote:I would also be shocked at how low Timbuktu fared
I was surprised by how well it fared--it placed 74 positions higher than expected. For a while there it was even in the top 50!
Fair enough. Though that brings up another question: how often did people update their own consensus lists while working through this project? I haven't added Timbuktu to my own list yet.

Also, how were the points calculated for this list?

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#236 Post by knives » Tue May 31, 2016 12:44 pm

Points were collated like in previous lists. As Swo explained on the previous page a first placement equals 25 points while a second 24 points and so on.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#237 Post by swo17 » Tue May 31, 2016 12:48 pm

jindianajonz wrote:how often did people update their own consensus lists while working through this project? I haven't added Timbuktu to my own list yet.
I noticed a few people revising their dynamic lists for older years throughout the project, but not many. That's sort of the whole point of them being "dynamic" lists, but this list gives a better result anyway.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#238 Post by swo17 » Tue May 31, 2016 1:40 pm

Fun fact: There were points when the two Leviathans and the two Wes Anderson films were tied (actually, this was how it looked before the last four lists were submitted). This not happening in the end was actually my greatest disappointment.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#239 Post by knives » Tue May 31, 2016 1:46 pm

If only we could have pulled off a hat trick with the two Guests as well.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#240 Post by DarkImbecile » Tue May 31, 2016 1:49 pm

We Made It!: I'd be surprised if many others had more than half their list make the final cut; I don't know whether to be disappointed at my apparently mainstream tastes or satisfied that my choices were widely shared among those who submitted. Really happy to see Whiplash fare so well, and pleasantly surprised by Enemy's appearance (and nearly making the top 25!).
01. Whiplash
04. Her
05. Black Swan
06. Wolf of Wall Street
07. Tree of Life
09. Birdman
11. Enemy
12. Drive
13. Under the Skin
14. The Grand Budapest Hotel
15. 12 Years a Slave
18. Moonrise Kingdom
20. Leviathan (Zvyagintsev)

Also-Rans:
Really surprised to have a top-50 with no Fincher...
03. Zero Dark Thirty
08. The Duke of Burgundy
16. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
17. The Social Network
21. Gone Girl
23. The Look of Silence

Orphans: Can't say I'm surprised about the last two - I'm aware that my love for dark family-based crime stories is out of sync with the general consensus -or Looper, which was the most traditionally "lightweight" of the contenders for my list. I certainly didn't do Detachment any favors by failing to highlight it here given its meager availability, but the huge disappointment for me is Calvary, which I really should have made my Spotlight pick. There's always the full 2010s list next decade!
02. Calvary
10. Looper
19. Detachment
24. Animal Kingdom
25. Out of the Furnace

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#241 Post by domino harvey » Tue May 31, 2016 1:58 pm

MY LIST (All-Time List Qualifiers / Also Rans / Orphans)

01 Moonrise Kingdom
02 Detention
03 Young Adult
04 Another Earth
05 Starlet
06 Beginners
07 Birdman
08 Super 8
09 Scott Pilgrim vs. the World

10 Gravity
11 Margaret
12 Inception
13 Her
14 Upstream Color

15 Gone Girl
16 Whiplash
17 Bachelorette
18 the Perks of Being a Wallflower
19 Killer Joe

20 Damsels in Distress
21 the Wolf of Wall Street
22 Magic in the Moonlight
23 Tu dors Nicole
24 the Myth of the American Sleepover

25 EIT! Does the Hip-Hop


Seen 41/50 of the Top 50

Really wish I'd propped Beginners, Gravity, and Birdman up into the Top 5 since someone else did for each (especially Beginners, since it was one place away)

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#242 Post by knives » Tue May 31, 2016 2:07 pm


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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#243 Post by domino harvey » Tue May 31, 2016 2:10 pm

Yep! You can read my brief writeup about it here

Also Contagion, the Color Wheel, and Celeste and Jesse Forever were all alternately occupying the number 25 slot on my list at various junctures before the Narrator's Return's post about EIT! Does the Hip-Hop jogged my memory and I wrote it in ink at the last minute

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#244 Post by knives » Tue May 31, 2016 2:16 pm

Welp, certainly can't accuse you of playing to the crowd.

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#245 Post by TMDaines » Tue May 31, 2016 3:09 pm

Do you watch much non-US cinema, Domino?

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#246 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue May 31, 2016 3:10 pm

domino harvey wrote:19 Killer Joe
Killer Joe was my #26, barely cut off from the final list

Anyway, my list, no color coding or anything since I mentioned my also-rans earlier, but I starred them for posterity anyway:

01. Inside Llewyn Davis (J. Coen, E. Coen)
02. Boyhood (Linklater)
03. Melancholia (von Trier)
04. The Master (P.T. Anderson)
05. Mommy (Dolan)
06. Django Unchained (Tarantino)*
07. Foxcatcher (Miller)*
08. Midnight in Paris (Allen)
09. Phoenix (Petzold)
10. Drive (Refn)
11. Beyond the Lights (Prince-Bythewood)*
12. Black Swan (Aronofsky)
13. Love & Mercy (Pohlad)*
14. Her (Jonze)
15. Whiplash (Chazelle)
16. Margaret (Lonergan)
17. Young Adult (J. Reitman)
18. Interstellar (Nolan)*
19. The Grand Budapest Hotel (W. Anderson)
20. Holy Motors (Carax)
21. Take Shelter (Nichols)*
22. Starlet (Baker)
23. Nightcrawler (Gilroy)
24. Stoker (Park)*
25. Moonrise Kingdom (W. Anderson)

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#247 Post by domino harvey » Tue May 31, 2016 3:22 pm

TMDaines wrote:Do you watch much non-US cinema, Domino?
I see that only one foreign film made my top twenty five, so I reckon it's a fair question! I do (I've seen most of our overall list), but I find the art house foreign scene of the last ten years or so pretty dreadful and, mock surprise, I don't like many of the films that find such fervent championing here and on the festival / art house circuit, many of which I find trying and a poor perversion of the wealth of great international cinema from the fifties and sixties which knew how to handle crypticism and alienation techniques. But, to not dwell on the negative, I do also enjoy many of the foreign films recognized here, even if not enough to make my overall top list, and some absences were in hindsight oversights (We Are the Best! and Blue is the Warmest Color both could/should have made my list, for starters!)

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#248 Post by TMDaines » Tue May 31, 2016 4:00 pm


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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#249 Post by knives » Tue May 31, 2016 4:01 pm

Yeah, I'm genuinely surprised that Moodysson didn't make your cut as it seems like the definitive film for you (from the last five years). Anyway below's my list. Can't say I'm terribly surprised that my orphans were and I am quite happy that some weren't (thanks people who voted for Anna Karenina). My yearly break down was somewhat surprising with '14 only get the one obvious film and eight films for '11 which I had mentally filed as an inadequate year. Everything else more or less fit the average it would seem.

1 Mysteries of Lisbon
2 The Grand Budapest Hotel
3 Melancholia (von Trier)
4 Certified Copy
5 American Hustle
6 Starlet (Baker)
7 Dark Horse (Solondz)
8 We Are the Best!
9 Anna Karenina (Wright)
10 Essential Killing
11 Ida
12 Red Hook Summer
13 Tabloid
14 The Deep Blue Sea (Davies)
15 Pain & Gain
16 The Skin I Live In
17 Spring Breakers
18 Tomboy (Sciamma)
19 Le Quattro Volte
20 Caesar Must Die
21 L'inconsolable (Straub)
22 A Master Builder (Demme)
23 A Dangerous Method
24 The Turin Horse
25 Trypps #7 (Badlands)

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Re: 2010-2014 List Discussion and Suggestions

#250 Post by bottled spider » Tue May 31, 2016 4:31 pm

I didn't submit a list because I've been more preoccupied with the youth project and felt a 2010-2014 list would be indicative more of what I haven't watched than anything else. Now I feel guilty. I could have rescued so many orphans! The top half of my list would have drawn heavily from the also-rans and might have nudged a few of them into the final list.

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