1990s List Discussion and Suggestions (Lists Project Vol. 3)

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#376 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:23 am

Just tabulating some last-minute submissions. Results soon.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#377 Post by TMDaines » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:25 am

Oh, swo, you tease.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#378 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:06 am

Thanks to everyone for your participation this round. I'll be releasing the results shortly in the next three posts. Here again is a guide to what the figures listed after each film represent, each separated with a slash mark:

1. Total points (50 for each #1 placement, 49 for each #2, etc.)
2. Number of lists the film appeared on (out of 24 submitted). If the film appeared in anyone's top 10, the number of top 10 appearances is also denoted in parentheses.
3. Highest placement of the film on any one list. If more than one person ranked the film this high, this is also denoted in parentheses.
4. Change in position from the 2009 list, with movements of 10 or more highlighted.

So for example, the 290/7(5)/4(x3)/-3 shown for Sátántangó means that it scored 290 points and appeared on seven lists (and five top 10s), with three people ranking it as high as #4. The film also moved down three positions from its placement on the 2009 list.

For the list of orphans, only figure #3 is displayed (the highest rank, not the score given).

If anyone would like me to PM them a list of how all of their picks fared in the overall tally (rather than having to scour through all of the results) it's a simple thing for me to do. Just let me know.

I'll unlock the 2000s thread in the next little while. In the meantime, feel free to continue discussion in this thread regarding the results of the 1990s project and to share your individual lists (including defenses of your poor-faring favorites).

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#379 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:06 am

The 1990s List

01. Chungking Express (Wong Kar-wai, 1994) 422/12(7)/2(x2)/+1
02. Fucking Åmål (Lukas Moodysson, 1998) 346/9(4)/1/+16
03. Rosetta (Luc & Jean-Pierre Dardenne, 1999) 345/10(5)/2/+18
04. Pulp Fiction (Quentin Tarantino, 1994) 331/9(5)/2(x2)/+25
05. Rushmore (Wes Anderson, 1998) 318/9(5)/1(x2)/+6
06. Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999) 311/10(4)/3/-2
07. Beau travail (Claire Denis, 1999) 309/9(4)/1(x2)/+56
08. Sátántangó (Béla Tarr, 1994) 290/7(5)/4(x3)/-3
09. Dead Man (Jim Jarmusch, 1995) 267/8(4)/1/-8
10. To Sleep with Anger (Charles Burnett, 1990) 257/8(4)/3/+14
11. Close-Up (Abbas Kiarostami, 1990) 227/9(2)/2/+9
12. The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick, 1998) 225/7(3)/5/-9
13. Three Colors: Red (Krzysztof Kieślowski, 1994) 224/7(3)/1/-3
(tie) Raise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou, 1991) 224/9(1)/1/+23
15. Fargo (Joel & Ethan Coen, 1996) 220/7(1)/5/+26
16. Boogie Nights (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1997) 219/8(1)/1/+7
17. Goodfellas (Martin Scorsese, 1990) 218/9(2)/1/-9
18. The Hole (Tsai Ming-liang, 1998) 208/7(2)/3/+28
19. La Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette, 1991) 207/7(3)/1/+31
20. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (David Lynch, 1992) 202/6(2)/6/+8
21. A Brighter Summer Day (Edward Yang, 1991) 197/6(3)/1(x2)/-14
(tie) Three Colors: Blue (Krzysztof Kieślowski, 1993) 197/7(2)/5/-9
23. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991) 195/6(2)/4/+30
24. Dazed and Confused (Richard Linklater, 1993) 192/6(2)/9/+84
25. La Cérémonie (Claude Chabrol, 1995) 188/6(1)/3/+30
26. Safe (Todd Haynes, 1995) 182/7(2)/2/-12
27. L.A. Confidential (Curtis Hanson, 1997) 181/5(3)/1/+30
(tie) Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood, 1992) 181/6(2)/1/+11
29. Exotica (Atom Egoyan, 1994) 179/6(2)/4/+5
30. The Quince Tree Sun (Víctor Erice, 1992) 172/5(1)/7/+41
(tie) The Celebration (Thomas Vinterberg, 1998) 172/6(1)/10/+62
32. Short Cuts (Robert Altman, 1993) 168/4(2)/1/-7
(tie) Miller's Crossing (Joel & Ethan Coen, 1990) 168/6(1)/2/-17
(tie) Magnolia (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1999) 168/6/12/-16
35. Husbands and Wives (Woody Allen, 1992) 165/6(1)/5/-2
36. La Promesse (Luc & Jean-Pierre Dardenne, 1996) 163/5(2)/1/+4
37. Before Sunrise (Richard Linklater, 1995) 160/5(1)/5/+59
38. All About My Mother (Pedro Almodóvar, 1999) 159/6(1)/3/-7
(tie) Princess Mononoke (Hayao Miyazaki, 1997) 159/7/17/+22
40. Fight Club (David Fincher, 1999) 156/6(2)/7/+26
41. Taste of Cherry (Abbas Kiarostami, 1997) 154/6(2)/5/+4
42. Breaking the Waves (Lars von Trier, 1996) 152/4(1)/2/+36
43. JFK (Oliver Stone, 1991) 151/5(1)/5/+42
44. Through the Olive Trees (Abbas Kiarostami, 1994) 149/5(2)/10(x2)/+59
45. A Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbāf, 1996) 148/4(2)/6/+47
46. The Wind Will Carry Us (Abbas Kiarostami, 1999) 142/5(2)/4/-33
(tie) Flowers of Shanghai (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1998) 142/5(2)/1/+26
(tie) Heat (Michael Mann, 1995) 142/6/15/+17
49. Hana-bi (Takeshi Kitano, 1997) 135/4(2)/4/+31
50. Naked (Mike Leigh, 1993) 134/4(1)/8/-11
51. Lost Highway (David Lynch, 1997) 132/4(2)/2/-21
52. Buffalo '66 (Vincent Gallo, 1998) 131/5(1)/7/-8
(tie) Crumb (Terry Zwigoff, 1994) 131/5/12/+104
54. Happy Together (Wong Kar-wai, 1997) 128/4(2)/3/-48
(tie) Barton Fink (Joel & Ethan Coen, 1991) 128/5(2)/9(x2)/-2
56. Hear My Cry (Maciej Drygas, 1991) 127/3(3)/8(x2)/+141
57. Being John Malkovich (Spike Jonze, 1999) 126/4(1)/3/+10
(tie) Lessons of Darkness (Werner Herzog, 1992) 126/5(1)/4/-9
59. Sink or Swim (Su Friedrich, 1990) 122/3(2)/8/--
60. Underground (Emir Kusturica, 1995) 119/4(2)/1/-13
(tie) The Match Factory Girl (Aki Kaurismäki, 1990) 119/5/11/+23
62. The Shawshank Redemption (Frank Darabont, 1994) 117/4(1)/1/+212
63. Life and Nothing More (Abbas Kiarostami, 1992) 114/4(1)/3/-37
64. Up Down Fragile (Jacques Rivette, 1995) 113/3(1)/9/+114
65. Henry Fool (Hal Hartley, 1997) 112/3(2)/1/+154
(tie) The Big Lebowski (Joel & Ethan Coen, 1998) 112/4(1)/6/-48
(tie) Crash (David Cronenberg, 1996) 112/4(1)/7/-14
68. Se7en (David Fincher, 1995) 111/4(1)/10/+27
69. Jurassic Park (Steven Spielberg, 1993) 110/3(2)/5/New
(tie) Hard Boiled (John Woo, 1992) 110/5/17/+192
71. Riget (Lars von Trier, 1994/7) 106/3/11/+8
72. L'Humanité (Bruno Dumont, 1999) 104/4(2)/3/-2
73. La Haine (Mathieu Kassovitz, 1995) 101/3(1)/4/+7
(tie) The Long Day Closes (Terence Davies, 1992) 101/4(1)/3/+4
75. Insomnia (Erik Skjoldbjærg, 1997) 98/3/14/+306
76. Wild at Heart (David Lynch, 1990) 97/3(1)/8/+25
(tie) The Blue Kite (Tian Zhuangzhuang, 1993) 97/3(1)/8/+307
78. The Piano (Jane Campion, 1993) 96/3(2)/3/+179
(tie) Matinee (Joe Dante, 1993) 96/4(1)/9/+195
80. Manufacturing Consent (Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, 1992) 94/2(2)/1/+89
81. Nénette et Boni (Claire Denis, 1996) 93/3(2)/5/-7
(tie) The Wrong Trousers (Nick Park, 1993) 93/3/13/-32
83. Ratcatcher (Lynne Ramsay, 1999) 92/3(1)/8/-56
84. The Power of Kangwon Province (Hong Sang-soo, 1998) 90/4(1)/9/-29
85. Paris Is Burning (Jennie Livingston, 1990) 88/2(2)/5/New
(tie) The Double Life of Veronique (Krzysztof Kieślowski, 1991) 88/3(1)/9/-76
(tie) Batman Returns (Tim Burton, 1992) 88/3(1)/7/New
(tie) Forrest Gump (Robert Zemeckis, 1994) 88/3/12/New
(tie) The Lovers on the Bridge (Leos Carax, 1991) 88/4(1)/7/-18
90. An Autumn Tale (Éric Rohmer, 1998) 86/2(1)/5/+153
(tie) The Convent (Manoel de Oliveira, 1995) 86/2(2)/7/New
(tie) After Life (Hirokazu Koreeda, 1998) 86/3/13/-21
(tie) My Own Private Idaho (Gus Van Sant, 1991) 86/3/17/-18
94. Abraham's Valley (Manoel de Oliveira, 1993) 85/2(1)/1/+143
95. The Scorpion (Dominik Graf, 1997) 84/2(1)/4/New
(tie) Miami Blues (George Armitage, 1990) 84/4/12/+75
97. Farewell My Concubine (Chen Kaige, 1993) 83/2(2)/9/+57
(tie) The Addiction (Abel Ferrara, 1995) 83/4/11/+226
99. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron, 1991) 82/3(1)/3/+103
(tie) Burnt by the Sun (Nikita Mikhalkov, 1994) 82/3(1)/6/New

Top Directors

Abbas Kiarostami (5 films, 786 points)
Joel & Ethan Coen (5 films, 645 points)
David Lynch (7 films, 622 points)
Wong Kar-wai (4 films, 612 points)
Krzysztof Kieślowski (4 films, 581 points)
Claire Denis (5 films, 514 points)
Luc & Jean-Pierre Dardenne (2 films, 508 points)
Quentin Tarantino (3 films, 433 points)
Jacques Rivette (4 films, 420 points)
Richard Linklater (3 films, 414 points)

Paul Thomas Anderson (3 films, 407 points)
Manoel de Oliveira (8 films, 395 points)
Jim Jarmusch (3 films, 385 points)
Woody Allen (7 films, 375 points)
Lukas Moodysson (1 film, 346 points)
Lars von Trier (4 films, 346 points)
David Fincher (4 films, 322 points)
Wes Anderson (1 film, 318 points)
Stanley Kubrick (1 film, 311 points)
Zhang Yimou (4 films, 308 points)

Hou Hsiao-hsien (4 films, 300 points)
Martin Scorsese (4 films, 293 points)
Béla Tarr (1 film, 290 points)
Atom Egoyan (4 films, 278 points)
Charles Burnett (3 films, 277 points)
Tsai Ming-liang (3 films, 259 points)
Mike Leigh (4 films, 253 points)
Robert Altman (3 films, 237 points)
Claude Chabrol (3 films, 235 points)
Clint Eastwood (3 films, 234 points)

Edward Yang (3 films, 232 points)
David Cronenberg (3 films, 227 points)
Michael Mann (3 films, 226 points)
Terrence Malick (1 film, 225 points)
Takeshi Kitano (4 films, 224 points)
Steven Spielberg (3 films, 221 points)
Todd Haynes (2 films, 218 points)
Pedro Almodóvar (2 films, 215 points)
Hal Hartley (3 films, 212 points)
Ang Lee (5 films, 198 points)

Dominik Graf (3 films, 195 points)
Jonathan Demme (1 film, 195 points)
Oliver Stone (2 films, 184 points)
Curtis Hanson (1 film, 181 points)
Peter Greenaway (3 films, 180 points)
John Woo (3 films, 175 points)
Víctor Erice (1 film, 172 points)
Thomas Vinterberg (1 film, 172 points)
Aki Kaurismäki (2 films, 172 points)
Emir Kusturica (2 films, 165 points)

Results by Country

USA (294 films, 47.1% of points)
France (145 films, 27.7% of points)
UK (77 films, 10.4% of points)
Germany (45 films, 7.6% of points)
Japan (48 films, 7% of points)
Hong Kong (15 films, 4.6% of points)
Switzerland (21 films, 4.1% of points)
Taiwan (13 films, 3.7% of points)
Iran (9 films, 3.3% of points)
Sweden (10 films, 3.3% of points)

Spain (24 films, 3.1% of points)
Denmark (11 films, 3% of points)
Italy (26 films, 3% of points)
Canada (22 films, 2.9% of points)
Belgium (10 films, 2.5% of points)
Poland (8 films, 2.5% of points)
China (12 films, 2% of points)
Portugal (14 films, 1.7% of points)
Australia (13 films, 1.5% of points)
Norway (7 films, 1.5% of points)

Hungary (4 films, 1.2% of points)
Russia (12 films, 1.2% of points)
Finland (5 films, 1% of points)
Netherlands (9 films, 0.9% of points)
Austria (8 films, 0.8% of points)
Luxembourg (3 films, 0.6% of points)
West Germany (3 films, 0.6% of points)
Yugoslavia (3 films, 0.6% of points)
New Zealand (3 films, 0.6% of points)
Czech Republic (4 films, 0.4% of points)

Greece (1 film, 0.4% of points)
South Korea (4 films, 0.3% of points)
Macedonia (2 films, 0.3% of points)
USSR (3 films, 0.3% of points)
Mexico (5 films, 0.3% of points)
Argentina (2 films, 0.2% of points)
Turkey (1 film, 0.2% of points)
India (2 films, 0.2% of points)
Uruguay (1 film, 0.2% of points)
Czechoslovakia (1 film, 0.1% of points)

Vietnam (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Israel (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Estonia (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Palestine (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Sri Lanka (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Romania (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Lebanon (0 film, 0.1% of points)
Georgia (0 film, <0.1% of points)
Ireland (0 film, <0.1% of points)
Lithuania (0 film, <0.1% of points)

Results by Year

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Casualties from the 2009 List

19. Irma Vep (now an also-ran)
22. Van Gogh (now an also-ran)
32. Fallen Angels (now voteless)
35. Groundhog Day (now an also-ran)
37. Jackie Brown (now an also-ran)
42. Naked Lunch (now an also-ran)
43. Goodbye, South, Goodbye (now an also-ran)
54. Time Regained (now an orphan)
58. Ed Wood (now an orphan)
61. Days of Being Wild (now an also-ran)
62. Only Yesterday (now an also-ran)
65. Mother and Son (now an also-ran)
74. Trust (now an also-ran)
76. Funny Games (now an also-ran)
82. Hoop Dreams (now an also-ran)
84. The Straight Story (now an also-ran)
85. Whisper of the Heart (now an also-ran)
87. The Sweet Hereafter (now an also-ran)
87. Election (now an orphan)
89. Bullets over Broadway (now an also-ran)
89. Drifting Clouds (now an also-ran)
91. Sonatine (now an also-ran)
94. Waiting for Guffman (now an orphan)
97. The Player (now an orphan)
98. The Age of Innocence (now an also-ran)
99. Slacker (now an also-ran)
99. Rebels of the Neon God (now voteless)

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#380 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:07 am


The Invincibles (Dominik Graf, 1994) 80/2(1)/8/New
Cyrano de Bergerac (Jean-Paul Rappeneau, 1990) 79/2(1)/7/New
Carlito's Way (Brian De Palma, 1993) 78/3/17/+129
Bitter Moon (Roman Polański, 1992) 77/2/12/+12
The Spanish Prisoner (David Mamet, 1997) 77/3/16/+26
The Straight Story (David Lynch, 1999) 77/4/20/-20
Naked Lunch (David Cronenberg, 1991) 77/4/24/-62
Freeway (Matthew Bright, 1996) 76/2(1)/10/+257
Trust (Hal Hartley, 1990) 76/2/13(x2)/-34
Funny Games (Michael Haneke, 1997) 76/4(1)/6/-32

Wild Reeds (André Téchiné, 1994) 76/4/28/+29
Starship Troopers (Paul Verhoeven, 1997) 74/3/16/+152
I Can't Sleep (Claire Denis, 1994) 74/3/17(x2)/+47
Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis, 1993) 74/4(1)/7/-77
Metropolitan (Whit Stillman, 1990) 74/3/13/+34
Ulysses' Gaze (Theodoros Angelopoulos, 1995) 73/3(1)/10/+78
Three Colors: White (Krzysztof Kieślowski, 1994) 72/2(1)/4/+118
Secrets & Lies (Mike Leigh, 1996) 72/2(1)/9/+54
Twin Peaks: Pilot (David Lynch, 1990) 70/2(1)/2/+111
The Wedding Banquet (Ang Lee, 1993) 70/2/12/New

Malcolm X (Spike Lee, 1992) 70/2/16(x2)/+101
Lone Star (John Sayles, 1996) 70/6/29/+223
Maborosi (Hirokazu Koreeda, 1995) 69/3(1)/2/+37
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai (Jim Jarmusch, 1999) 68/2/12/-5
Saving Private Ryan (Steven Spielberg, 1998) 68/3/17/+174
Van Gogh (Maurice Pialat, 1991) 67/2(1)/6/-104
Clean, Shaven (Lodge Kerrigan, 1993) 67/2(1)/8/+86
Whispering Pages (Aleksandr Sokurov, 1994) 67/3(1)/10/+248
The Ice Storm (Ang Lee, 1997) 66/2(1)/2/+6
The Last of the Mohicans (Michael Mann, 1992) 66/2/17/New

Goodbye, South, Goodbye (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1996) 66/3/15/-86
To Live (Zhang Yimou, 1994) 66/4/15/+24
Hoop Dreams (Steve James, 1994) 66/4/17/-47
The Pillow Book (Peter Greenaway, 1995) 65/3/15/+39
Black Ice (Stan Brakhage, 1994) 64/2/17/+7
Ghost in the Shell (Mamoru Oshii, 1995) 63/2(1)/3/New
Kicking and Screaming (Noah Baumbach, 1995) 63/2(1)/3/+43
Blue (Derek Jarman, 1993) 62/2(1)/3/+87
The Adjuster (Atom Egoyan, 1991) 62/2/20(x2)/New
Slacker (Richard Linklater, 1991) 62/3/26/-39

Shall We Dance? (Masayuki Suo, 1996) 61/2(1)/10/New
Caro Diario (Nanni Moretti, 1994) 61/2/20/New
Faust (Jan Švankmajer, 1994) 60/2/12/New
The Baby of Mâcon (Peter Greenaway, 1993) 60/2/15/-30
Frost (Fred Kelemen, 1997) 59/2/11/New
Jackie Brown (Quentin Tarantino, 1997) 59/2/11/-108
Homicide (David Mamet, 1991) 58/2(1)/4/New
Whisper of the Heart (Yoshifumi Kondō, 1995) 58/2(1)/4/-62
Joan the Maid (Jacques Rivette, 1994) 58/2/12/+256
Twilight (György Fehér, 1990) 58/2/15/New

Bullets over Broadway (Woody Allen, 1994) 58/2/21/-58
Gremlins 2: The New Batch (Joe Dante, 1990) 57/4(1)/2/+131
Orlando (Sally Potter, 1993) 56/2/11/+147
Live Flesh (Pedro Almodóvar, 1997) 56/2/23(x2)/-36
Prospero's Books (Peter Greenaway, 1991) 55/2(1)/2/-46
Manhattan Murder Mystery (Woody Allen, 1993) 55/2/14/New
The Nasty Girl (Michael Verhoeven, 1990) 55/2/16/+78
Belfast, Maine (Frederick Wiseman, 1999) 54/2(1)/4/+66
Sonatine (Takeshi Kitano, 1993) 54/4/11/-67
Before the Rain (Milcho Manchevski, 1994) 54/2/16/New

Irma Vep (Olivier Assayas, 1996) 54/4/27/-139
Drifting Clouds (Aki Kaurismäki, 1996) 53/2/19/-73
Fugue (Georges Schwizgebel, 1998) 53/2/23/New
L'Eau froide (Olivier Assayas, 1994) 53/2/24/-5
Voyage to the Beginning of the World (Manoel de Oliveira, 1997) 52/2/22/New
Die Hard with a Vengeance (John McTiernan, 1995) 51/3/13/New
Out of Sight (Steven Soderbergh, 1998) 51/4/33/+80
Microcosmos (Claude Nuridsany & Marie Pérennou, 1996) 50/2/12/-19
Night on Earth (Jim Jarmusch, 1991) 50/2/14/+91
Nobody's Business (Alan Berliner, 1996) 50/3/21/New

The Eel (Shōhei Imamura, 1997) 49/2(1)/7/-38
Golem: The Spirit of Exile (Amos Gitai, 1992) 49/2/11/New
Georgia (Ulu Grosbard, 1995) 49/2/14/New
Sicilia! (Jean-Marie Straub & Danièle Huillet, 1999) 49/3/22/-7
Hamlet (Kenneth Branagh, 1996) 49/3/31/+223
The Actress (Stanley Kwan, 1992) 47/2/14/-55
Until the End of the World (Wim Wenders, 1991) 47/2/25/New
Dreams (Akira Kurosawa, 1990) 46/2/20/+72
Clueless (Amy Heckerling, 1995) 46/2/26/-42
Let Forever Be (Michel Gondry, 1999) 46/3/25/+149

The Age of Innocence (Martin Scorsese, 1993) 46/3/25/-80
Lovers of the Arctic Circle (Julio Medem, 1998) 45/2/12/+165
The Stolen Children (Gianni Amelio, 1992) 45/2/26/-8
An Angel at My Table (Jane Campion, 1990) 45/3/30/-57
Zero Effect (Jake Kasdan, 1998) 44/2(1)/8/New
Good Men, Good Women (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1995) 44/2/13/-45
Braindead (Peter Jackson, 1992) 44/3/21/+11
Outer Space (Peter Tscherkassky, 1999) 43/2/12/-3
Cabaret Balkan (Goran Paskaljević, 1998) 43/2/15/New
Mother and Son (Aleksandr Sokurov, 1997) 43/3/19/-123

Reservoir Dogs (Quentin Tarantino, 1992) 43/2/22/-65
Europa (Lars von Trier, 1991) 43/2/25/-78
Anchoress (Chris Newby, 1993) 42/2(1)/10/New
Babe (Chris Noonan, 1995) 42/2/13/New
Labyrinth of Dreams (Sōgo Ishii, 1997) 42/2/26/+159
Only Yesterday (Isao Takahata, 1991) 41/2/11/-134
Alone. Life Wastes Andy Hardy (Martin Arnold, 1998) 41/2/23/-90
Sweet and Lowdown (Woody Allen, 1999) 41/2/25/-62
Toy Story (John Lasseter, 1995) 41/2/29/-53
Vanya on 42nd Street (Louis Malle, 1994) 40/2/19/+66

The Mirror (Jafar Panahi, 1997) 40/2/21/New
The Fugitive (Andrew Davis, 1993) 40/2/25/New
Suzaku (Naomi Kawase, 1997) 39/2/27/New
eXistenZ (David Cronenberg, 1999) 38/3/17/+3
Light Sleeper (Paul Schrader, 1991) 38/2/22/New
L'Enfer (Claude Chabrol, 1994) 38/2/26/+122
The Limey (Steven Soderbergh, 1999) 37/3/18/-78
Kansas City (Robert Altman, 1996) 37/2/23/New
The Sheltering Sky (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1990) 37/2/32/+15
Last Action Hero (John McTiernan, 1993) 36/2/18/New

Poison (Todd Haynes, 1990) 36/2/30/New
The Iron Giant (Brad Bird, 1999) 35/2/19/+119
Highway Patrolman (Alex Cox, 1991) 35/2/23/+138
Deseret (James Benning, 1995) 35/2/33/New
The Matrix (The Wachowskis, 1999) 34/2/23/+47
In the Mouth of Madness (John Carpenter, 1994) 34/2/33/+164
Ashes of Time (Wong Kar-wai, 1994) 33/2/19/-93
A Summer's Tale (Éric Rohmer, 1996) 33/2/34/-86
In the Company of Men (Neil LaBute, 1997) 32/2/20/-21
One False Move (Carl Franklin, 1992) 32/2/25/+23

Thesis (Alejandro Amenábar, 1996) 31/2/21/New
Three Kings (David O. Russell, 1999) 31/2/23/-106
Sugar Water (Michel Gondry, 1996) 31/3/34/+68
Crows (Dorota Kędzierzawska, 1994) 29/2/24/New
Days of Being Wild (Wong Kar-wai, 1990) 29/2/33/-163
The Sweet Hereafter (Atom Egoyan, 1997) 29/3/38/-137
Institute Benjamenta (Stephen & Timothy Quay, 1995) 28/2/26/-89
12 Monkeys (Terry Gilliam, 1995) 28/2/35/-18
Little Odessa (James Gray, 1994) 26/2/28/New
Cronos (Guillermo del Toro, 1993) 24/2/38/New

White Hunter, Black Heart (Clint Eastwood, 1990) 22/2/33/New
Hard Eight (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1996) 20/2/35/-51
The Truman Show (Peter Weir, 1998) 20/2/35/-66
The Crying Game (Neil Jordan, 1992) 20/2/36/+62
Audition (Takashi Miike, 1999) 19/2/37/-108
Glengarry Glen Ross (James Foley, 1992) 19/2/37/-74
The Last Days of Disco (Whit Stillman, 1998) 18/2/40/-23
The Hudsucker Proxy (Joel & Ethan Coen, 1994) 17/2/38/-93
Point Break (Kathryn Bigelow, 1991) 16/2/40/+160
The Usual Suspects (Bryan Singer, 1995) 14/2/38/+63

The Virgin Suicides (Sofia Coppola, 1999) 14/2/40/-136
Sense and Sensibility (Ang Lee, 1995) 11/2/42/New
Flirting with Disaster (David O. Russell, 1996) 10/2/45/+164
Europa Europa (Agnieszka Holland, 1990) 9/2/45/New

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#381 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:07 am


Abre los ojos (Alejandro Amenábar, 1997) 40
Achterbahn der Gefühle (Josef Kluger, 1995) 38
An Affair of Love (Frédéric Fonteyne, 1999) 30
Ali Click (Jérôme Lefdup, Lari Flash & Brian Eno, 1992) 50
Alice (Woody Allen, 1990) 41
Alien³ (David Fincher, 1992) 17
All Things Fair (Bo Widerberg, 1995) 39
Alone (Benito Zambrano, 1999) 6
Amarillo by Morning (Spike Jonze, 1998) 38
An Ambush of Ghosts (Everett Lewis, 1993) 3
American Buffalo (Michael Corrente, 1996) 41
American Dream (Barbara Kopple et al., 1990) 36
American History X (Tony Kaye, 1998) 36
Another Girl, Another Planet (Michael Almereyda, 1992) 26
The Anti-Extortion Woman (Jūzō Itami, 1992) 10
Apollo 13 (Ron Howard, 1995) 24
The Apostle (Robert Duvall, 1997) 12
The Apple (Samira Makhmalbaf, 1998) 22
Archangel (Guy Maddin, 1990) 37
Arizona Dream (Emir Kusturica, 1992) 5
Armageddon (Michael Bay, 1998) 50
Artificial Paradise (Karpo Godina, 1990) 24
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (Jay Roach, 1997) 49

Babe: Pig in the City (George Miller, 1998) 29
Bad Boy Bubby (Rolf de Heer, 1993) 44
Bad Film (Sion Sono, 1995) 5
Bad Lieutenant (Abel Ferrara, 1992) 25
Balkan baroque (Pierre Coulibeuf, 1999) 50
Barcelona (Whit Stillman, 1994) 24
Basara: The Princess Goh (Hiroshi Teshigahara, 1992) 31
Basic Instinct (Paul Verhoeven, 1992) 8
Beauty and the Beast (Kirk Wise & Gary Trousdale, 1991) 2
The Bed You Sleep In (Jon Jost, 1993) 5
Beijing Bastards (Zhang Yuan, 1993) 47
Benjamin's Woman (Carlos Carrera, 1991) 37
Benny's Video (Michael Haneke, 1992) 11
Bittere Unschuld (Dominik Graf, 1999) 20
Bliss (Lance Young, 1997) 31
The Blood Oranges (Philip Haas, 1997) 18
The Bloody Child (Nina Menkes, 1996) 42
Bob Roberts (Tim Robbins, 1992) 27
Bound (The Wachowskis, 1996) 12
Bouquets 1-10 (Rose Lowder, 1995) 29
The Boys (Rowan Woods, 1998) 44
Boys Don't Cry (Kimberly Peirce, 1999) 26
Boyz n the Hood (John Singleton, 1991) 12
Braveheart (Mel Gibson, 1995) 15
A Brief History of Time (Errol Morris, 1991) 5
Brigands, Chapter VII (Otar Iosseliani, 1996) 36
Bright Angel (Michael Fields, 1990) 24
Bringing Out the Dead (Martin Scorsese, 1999) 23
Brother (Aleksei Balabanov, 1997) 38
Brother's Keeper (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 1992) 34
Bullet Ballet (Shin'ya Tsukamoto, 1998) 4
Bullet in the Head (John Woo, 1990) 24
The Butcher Boy (Neil Jordan, 1997) 14
Buud Yam (Gaston Kaboré, 1997) 49

The Cable Guy (Ben Stiller, 1996) 42
Calendar (Atom Egoyan, 1993) 43
Can't Hardly Wait (Harry Elfont & Deborah Kaplan, 1998) 14
Career Girls (Mike Leigh, 1997) 18
Careful (Guy Maddin, 1992) 12
Casino (Martin Scorsese, 1995) 50
Charisma (Kiyoshi Kurosawa, 1999) 37
Chasing Amy (Kevin Smith, 1997) 27
Chronicle of a Disappearance (Elia Suleiman, 1996) 19
City of Hope (John Sayles, 1991) 19
The Civil War (Ken Burns, 1990) 4
Clerks (Kevin Smith, 1994) 20
Cliffhanger (Renny Harlin, 1993) 17
A Close Shave (Nick Park, 1995) 37
Close to Eden (Nikita Mikhalkov, 1991) 16
Closet Land (Radha Bharadwaj, 1991) 26
The Color of Paradise (Majid Majidi, 1999) 31
The Comb (Stephen & Timothy Quay, 1991) 16
Comedian Harmonists (Joseph Vilsmaier, 1997) 48
Commingled Containers (Stan Brakhage, 1997) 3
Comrades: Almost a Love Story (Peter Chan, 1996) 8
A Confucian Confusion (Edward Yang, 1994) 33
Conspirators of Pleasure (Jan Švankmajer, 1996) 5
Cool as Ice (David Kellogg, 1991) 50
Cop Land (James Mangold, 1997) 39
The Corridor (Šarūnas Bartas, 1995) 39
Countdown (Ulrike Ottinger, 1990) 18
Cradle Will Rock (Tim Robbins, 1999) 46
Cremaster 1 (Matthew Barney, 1996) 24
Cremaster 2 (Matthew Barney, 1999) 46
Cremaster 5 (Matthew Barney, 1997) 19
Crooklyn (Spike Lee, 1994) 48
Cure (Kiyoshi Kurosawa, 1997) 6
Cutthroat Island (Renny Harlin, 1995) 20

Daens (Stijn Coninx, 1992) 25
Damage (Louis Malle, 1992) 3
Dances with Wolves (Kevin Costner, 1990) 10
Dangerous Game (Abel Ferrara, 1993) 41
Dark City (Alex Proyas, 1998) 44
Darkness in Tallinn (Ilkka Järvi-Laturi, 1993) 22
The Day a Pig Fell into the Well (Hong Sang-soo, 1996) 39
The Day of Despair (Manoel de Oliveira, 1992) 34
The Day of the Beast (Álex de la Iglesia, 1995) 36
The Days (Wang Xiaoshuai, 1993) 29
Dead Man Walking (Tim Robbins, 1995) 34
Dead or Alive (Takashi Miike, 1999) 42
Death on a Full Moon Day (Prasanna Vithanage, 1997) 21
Deconstructing Harry (Woody Allen, 1997) 32
Deep Cover (Bill Duke, 1992) 19
Delicatessen (Jean-Pierre Jeunet & Marc Caro, 1991) 45
Devil in a Blue Dress (Carl Franklin, 1995) 34
Diably, diably (Dorota Kędzierzawska, 1991) 44
Diary for My Father and Mother (Márta Mészáros, 1990) 24
Dick (Andrew Fleming, 1999) 2
Dirty Like an Angel (Catherine Breillat, 1991) 25
Dogma (Kevin Smith, 1999) 36
The Doom Generation (Gregg Araki, 1995) 32
Dracula (Francis Ford Coppola, 1992) 35
Drop Zone (John Badham, 1994) 35
Drunken Master II (Liu Chia-liang, 1994) 42

Eat Drink Man Woman (Ang Lee, 1994) 4
Ed Wood (Tim Burton, 1994) 17
Edward Scissorhands (Tim Burton, 1990) 13
Eggs (Bent Hamer, 1995) 15
Election (Alexander Payne, 1999) 41
The End of the Affair (Neil Jordan, 1999) 13
The English Patient (Anthony Minghella, 1996) 39

Face/Off (John Woo, 1997) 13
The Faculty (Robert Rodriguez, 1998) 34
A Far Off Place (Mikael Salomon, 1993) 28
Fearless (Peter Weir, 1993) 49
La Femme Nikita (Luc Besson, 1990) 24
The Film to Come (Raúl Ruiz, 1997) 22
Fire (Deepa Mehta, 1996) 23
First Knight (Jerry Zucker, 1995) 21
The Fisher King (Terry Gilliam, 1991) 11
Flesh and Bone (Steve Kloves, 1993) 13
Flowers from Another World (Icíar Bollaín, 1999) 35
Following (Christopher Nolan, 1998) 28
Food (Jan Švankmajer, 1993) 10
Fortress (Stuart Gordon, 1992) 50
Four Days in September (Bruno Barreto, 1997) 41
Four Weddings and a Funeral (Mike Newell, 1994) 5
1492: Conquest of Paradise (Ridley Scott, 1992) 27
Freaked (Alex Winter & Tom Stern, 1993) 29
Fresh (Boaz Yakin, 1994) 25
Fried Green Tomatoes (Jon Avnet, 1991) 29
Full Contact (Ringo Lam, 1992) 12
Fun (Rafal Zielinski, 1994) 4

The Game (David Fincher, 1997) 30
Garage Olimpo (Marco Bechis, 1999) 31
The Garden (Derek Jarman, 1990) 37
Gattaca (Andrew Niccol, 1997) 34
The General (John Boorman, 1998) 38
Get on the Bus (Spike Lee, 1996) 30
Gloomy Sunday (Rolf Schübel, 1999) 46
God's Comedy (João César Monteiro, 1996) 32
Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) 44
Gray's Anatomy (Steven Soderbergh, 1996) 42
The Grifters (Stephen Frears, 1990) 24
The Guard (Alexander Rogozhkin, 1990) 12
Gummo (Harmony Korine, 1997) 22

Happiness (Todd Solondz, 1998) 9
Happy Gilmore (Dennis Dugan, 1996) 45
He Got Game (Spike Lee, 1998) 30
Heimat II (Edgar Reitz, 1992) 2
Hélas pour moi (Jean-Luc Godard, 1993) 23
Herod's Law (Luis Estrada, 1999) 46
Home Alone (Chris Columbus, 1990) 22
Hotel E (Priit Pärn, 1992) 48
Howards End (James Ivory, 1992) 40
Human Resources (Laurent Cantet, 1999) 17
The Hunt for Red October (John McTiernan, 1990) 50

I Married a Strange Person! (Bill Plympton, 1997) 43
The Idiots (Lars von Trier, 1998) 6
In That Country (Lidia Bobrova, 1998) 11
In the Heat of the Sun (Jiang Wen, 1994) 46
An Independent Life (Vitali Kanevsky, 1992) 30
Industrial Symphony No. 1: The Dream of the Brokenhearted (David Lynch, 1990) 40
Inquietude (Manoel de Oliveira, 1998) 5
The Insider (Michael Mann, 1999) 33
It All Starts Today (Bertrand Tavernier, 1999) 23

Jacquot de Nantes (Agnès Varda, 1991) 38
Jingle All the Way (Brian Levant, 1996) 9
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (Hiroyuki Okiura, 1999) 29
Joe Versus the Volcano (John Patrick Shanley, 1990) 39
Ju dou (Zhang Yimou & Yang Fengliang, 1990) 35
Julien Donkey-Boy (Harmony Korine, 1999) 46
Jungle Fever (Spike Lee, 1991) 12

Kasaba (Nuri Bilge Ceylan, 1997) 36
Khrustalyov, My Car! (Aleksei German, 1998) 44
Kids (Larry Clark, 1995) 26
Kikujiro (Takeshi Kitano, 1999) 28
King of the Hill (Steven Soderbergh, 1993) 25
Kirikou and the Sorceress (Michel Ocelot, 1998) 42

Ladybird Ladybird (Ken Loach, 1994) 39
Lake Consequence (Rafael Eisenman, 1993) 4
Lake Placid (Steve Miner, 1999) 37
Land and Freedom (Ken Loach, 1995) 38
The Last Days (James Moll, 1998) 11
Leaving Las Vegas (Mike Figgis, 1995) 31
Leaving Lenin (Endaf Emlyn, 1994) 48
Léon (Luc Besson, 1994) 15
La lettre (Manoel de Oliveira, 1999) 15
Level Five (Chris Marker, 1997) 46
Liebestraum (Mike Figgis, 1991) 19
Life Is Beautiful (Roberto Benigni, 1997) 28
Life Is Sweet (Mike Leigh, 1991) 37
Life on a String (Chen Kaige, 1991) 31
The Lion King (Roger Allers & Rob Minkoff, 1994) 21
Lisbon Story (Wim Wenders, 1994) 8
The Little Gangster (Jacques Doillon, 1990) 23
London (Patrick Keiller, 1994) 35
The Long Kiss Goodnight (Renny Harlin, 1996) 49
L.A. Story (Mick Jackson, 1991) 46
The Lover (Jean-Jacques Annaud, 1992) 11

Mad Dog and Glory (John McNaughton, 1993) 44
Madadayo (Akira Kurosawa, 1993) 23
Madame Bovary (Claude Chabrol, 1991) 42
Mahjong (Edward Yang, 1996) 34
Man on the Moon (Miloš Forman, 1999) 19
Maverick (Richard Donner, 1994) 16
Megacities (Michael Glawogger, 1998) 47
Men with Guns (John Sayles, 1997) 24
Midori (Hiroshi Harada, 1992) 15
Mindwalk (Bernt Amadeus Capra, 1990) 2
Mr. Death (Errol Morris, 1999) 35
Mr. Jealousy (Noah Baumbach, 1997) 19
Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle (Alan Rudolph, 1994) 35
My Sex Life…or How I Got into an Argument (Arnaud Desplechin, 1996) 7
The Myth of Fingerprints (Bart Freundlich, 1997) 47

Narrow Margin (Peter Hyams, 1990) 7
National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1 (Gene Quintano, 1993) 44
Natural Born Killers (Oliver Stone, 1994) 18
Nelly & Monsieur Arnaud (Claude Sautet, 1995) 11
New Waterford Girl (Allan Moyle, 1999) 46
Night and Day (Chantal Akerman, 1991) 29
Nightjohn (Charles Burnett, 1996) 33
No Fear, No Die (Claire Denis, 1990) 39
No One Writes to the Colonel (Arturo Ripstein, 1999) 41
Nobody Will Speak of Us When We're Dead (Agustín Díaz, 1995) 42
Non (Manoel de Oliveira, 1990) 17
North on Evers (James Benning, 1992) 36
The Northerners (Alex van Warmerdam, 1992) 40
Not One Less (Zhang Yimou, 1999) 49
Nouvelle vague (Jean-Luc Godard, 1990) 17
Nowhere (Gregg Araki, 1997) 18

The Oak (Lucian Pintilie, 1992) 22
Ode (Kelly Reichardt, 1999) 47
The Old Man and the Sea (Aleksandr Petrov, 1999) 50
Olivier, Olivier (Agnieszka Holland, 1992) 27
100 Years of Japanese Cinema (Nagisa Ōshima, 1995) 37
Open Doors (Gianni Amelio, 1990) 26
Ossos (Pedro Costa, 1997) 48

Palms (Artur Aristakisyan, 1994) 43
Paradise Lost (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 1996) 34
Party (Manoel de Oliveira, 1996) 12
The People vs. Larry Flynt (Miloš Forman, 1996) 24
Peppermint Candy (Lee Chang-dong, 1999) 47
A Perfect World (Clint Eastwood, 1993) 20
A Place in the World (Adolfo Aristarain, 1992) 4
The Player (Robert Altman, 1992) 19
Premonitions Following an Evil Deed (David Lynch, 1995) 18
Pretty Woman (Garry Marshall, 1990) 30
Pride and Prejudice (Simon Langton, 1995) 2
Priest (Antonia Bird, 1994) 23
Primary Colors (Mike Nichols, 1998) 38
Prime Suspect (Christopher Menaul, 1991) 8
Proof (Jocelyn Moorhouse, 1991) 29
Public Housing (Frederick Wiseman, 1997) 43
The Puppetmaster (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1993) 3
Pusher (Nicolas Winding Refn, 1996) 44

Rainclouds Over Wushan (Zhang Ming, 1996) 35
Raising Cain (Brian De Palma, 1992) 16
Ravenous (Antonia Bird, 1999) 34
Red Rock West (John Dahl, 1993) 26
The Red Squirrel (Julio Medem, 1993) 21
The Remains of the Day (James Ivory, 1993) 27
Ride with the Devil (Ang Lee, 1999) 47
Riff-Raff (Ken Loach, 1991) 23
The River (Tsai Ming-liang, 1997) 24
A River Runs Through It (Robert Redford, 1992) 49
The Rock (Michael Bay, 1996) 31
A Room for Romeo Brass (Shane Meadows, 1999) 40
Rules of the Road (Su Friedrich, 1993) 31
Run Lola Run (Tom Tykwer, 1998) 4

The Sandlot (David Evans, 1993) 33
A Scene at the Sea (Takeshi Kitano, 1991) 39
Schindler's List (Steven Spielberg, 1993) 8
Schizopolis (Steven Soderbergh, 1996) 34
Screen Play (Barry Purves, 1993) 20
Searching for Bobby Fischer (Steven Zaillian, 1993) 18
Secret défense (Jacques Rivette, 1998) 9
La Séparation (Christian Vincent, 1994) 49
71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance (Michael Haneke, 1992) 2
Shadows and Fog (Woody Allen, 1991) 24
Shakespeare in Love (John Madden, 1998) 49
Shinjuku Boys (Kim Longinotto & Jano Williams, 1995) 45
The Shooter (Ted Kotcheff, 1995) 40
Showgirls (Paul Verhoeven, 1995) 32
Side/Walk/Shuttle (Ernie Gehr, 1992) 39
Simple Men (Hal Hartley, 1992) 27
Single White Female (Barbet Schroeder, 1992) 5
The Sixth Sense (M. Night Shyamalan, 1999) 43
Sleepless in Seattle (Nora Ephron, 1993) 33
Smoking/No Smoking (Alain Resnais, 1993) 33
Snake Eyes (Brian De Palma, 1998) 48
Sombre (Philippe Grandrieux, 1999) 41
Sommersby (Jon Amiel, 1993) 22
Spectres of the Spectrum (Craig Baldwin, 1999) 49
Stealing Beauty (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1996) 22
The Stranger (Satyajit Ray, 1991) 26
Sudden Death (Peter Hyams, 1995) 6
Sudden Manhattan (Adrienne Shelly, 1996) 28
A Summer in La Goulette (Férid Boughedir, 1996) 47
Swoon (Tom Kalin, 1992) 17

Taboo (Nagisa Ōshima, 1999) 36
Taiga (Ulrike Ottinger, 1992) 5
A Tale of Winter (Éric Rohmer, 1992) 29
The Talented Mr. Ripley (Anthony Minghella, 1999) 43
Temptress Moon (Chen Kaige, 1996) 5
Tetsuo II: Body Hammer (Shin'ya Tsukamoto, 1992) 20
Thelma & Louise (Ridley Scott, 1991) 36
Thirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould (François Girard, 1993) 41
Those Who Love Me Can Take the Train (Patrice Chéreau, 1998) 15
Three Days (Šarūnas Bartas, 1992) 33
Three Lives and Only One Death (Raúl Ruiz, 1996) 38
Three Stories (Kira Muratova, 1997) 46
Tierra (Julio Medem, 1996) 1
Time Indefinite (Ross McElwee, 1993) 27
Time Regained (Raúl Ruiz, 1999) 18
To the Starry Island (Park Kwang-su, 1993) 50
Tokyo Decadence (Ryū Murakami, 1992) 30
Total Recall (Paul Verhoeven, 1990) 39
Toy Story 2 (John Lasseter et al., 1999) 30
Train of Shadows (José Luis Guerín, 1998) 48
Trespass (Walter Hill, 1992) 42
Tribulation 99: Alien Anomalies Under America (Craig Baldwin, 1992) 22
True Romance (Tony Scott, 1993) 49
Twin Falls Idaho (Michael Polish, 1999) 50
Two Sisters (Caroline Leaf, 1991) 49
Two Small Bodies (Beth B, 1993) 48

Un coeur en hiver (Claude Sautet, 1992) 18
US Go Home (Claire Denis, 1994) 25
Unsichtbare Tage (Eva Hiller, 1992) 28

Visions in Meditation #3: Plato's Cave (Stan Brakhage, 1990) 42
Vive l'amour (Tsai Ming-liang, 1994) 27

Waiting for Guffman (Christopher Guest, 1996) 30
The War Room (D.A. Pennebaker & Chris Hegedus, 1993) 37
Water Easy Reach (Bent Hamer, 1998) 27
West Beirut (Ziad Doueiri, 1998) 24
When It Rains (Charles Burnett, 1995) 49
When Pigs Fly (Sara Driver, 1993) 39
The White Viking (Hrafn Gunnlaugsson, 1991) 43
The Wife (Tom Noonan, 1995) 6
Winter Sleepers (Tom Tykwer, 1997) 11
The Wonderful, Horrible Life of Leni Riefenstahl (Ray Müller, 1993) 27
World of Glory (Roy Andersson, 1991) 28

Yggdrasill, Whose Roots Are Stars in the Human Mind (Stan Brakhage, 1997) 18
Young Werther (Jacques Doillon, 1993) 41
Your Friends & Neighbors (Neil LaBute, 1998) 24

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#382 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:13 am

And here are the films that held the #1 spot at certain points during tabulation. Granted, this has a lot to do with the order in which lists were submitted, but maybe it's still of interest to some people?

Whispering Pages
La Cérémonie
To Sleep with Anger
La Cérémonie
Chungking Express
To Sleep with Anger
Chungking Express

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#383 Post by Forrest Taft » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:43 am

Great work, Swo!

Top Ten + Orphans:
1. Short Cuts (Robert Altman, 1993)
2. Lost Highway (David Lynch, 1997)
3. Beau Travail (Claire Denis, 1999)
4. Hana-bi/Fireworks (Takeshi Kitano, 1997)
5. The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick, 1998)
6. Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)
7. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (David Lynch, 1992)
8. Dead Man (Jim Jarmusch, 1995)
9. Barton Fink (Joel Coen, 1991)
10. Rushmore (Wes Anderson, 1998)

14. The Butcher Boy (Neil Jordan, 1997)
15. Eggs (Bent Hamer, 1995)
27. En dag til i solen/Water Easy Reach (Bent Hamer, 1998)
28. Kikujirô no natsu/Kikujiro (Takeshi Kitano, 1999)
34. Ravenous (Antonia Bird, 1999)
36. Gohatto/Taboo (Nagisa Oshima (1999)
38. The General (John Boorman, 1998)
42. Trespass (Walter Hill, 1992)
50. The Hunt for Red October (John McTiernan, 1990)

Surprised no. 14 and 34 ended up as orphans. The latter has it's fans here and the former did pretty well last round, I seem to recall.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#384 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:05 pm

It looks like there were 31(!) fewer lists submitted this time than during the last round, so there are probably plenty of orphans out there now that have support from people that just didn't vote. By the same token, lots of films were able to make the top 100 with only marginal support--the cutoff to make the top 100 was 197 points last time while now it's only 82.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#385 Post by TMDaines » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:08 pm

Wow, why such a low number of submissions? I was shocked to see how few points were required for the top positions. What an odd list.

Maybe many more of us need to make an effort to drum up interest in the project, otherwise it may start to fizzle out.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#386 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:20 pm

RobertAltman wrote:Great work, Swo!
14. The Butcher Boy (Neil Jordan, 1997)

Surprised no. 14 and 34 ended up as orphans. The latter has it's fans here and the former did pretty well last round, I seem to recall.
I voted for a different Neil Jordan film (The End of the Affair, which was also an orphan). I really like the Butcher Boy though - it's very much one of the more personal lower budget movies that Jordan can make precisely because he directs such ropey American films.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#387 Post by swo17 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:24 pm

TMDaines wrote:Wow, why such a low number of submissions? I was shocked to see how few points were required for the top positions. What an odd list.

Maybe many more of us need to make an effort to drum up interest in the project, otherwise it may start to fizzle out.
Well, it was a bit lower participation than I'm used to seeing, but the 55 that participated last round was, as I understand, unprecedentedly high.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#388 Post by knives » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:45 pm

Thanks a lot for all the hard work Swo.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#389 Post by bamwc2 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:02 pm

Big thanks for all of the hard work, Swo!

My list, with orphans highlighted:

1. Boogie Nights (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1997)
2. Breaking the Waves (Lars Von Trier, 1996)
3. Damage (Louis Malle, 1992)
4. The Civil War (Ken Burns, 1990)
5. JFK (Oliver Stone, 1991)
6. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (David Lynch, 1992)
7. Chungking Express (Wong Kar Wai,1994)
8. Hear My Cry (Maciej J. Drygas, 1991)
9. Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)
10. Anchoress (Chris Newby, 1993)
11. Jackie Brown (Quentin Tarantino, 1997)
12. The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick, 1998)
13. Babe (Chris Noonan, 1995)
14. Georgia (Ulu Grosbard, 1995)
15. Midori (Hiroshi Harada, 1992)
16. Magnolia (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1999)
17. Short Cuts (Robert Altman, 1993)
18. Crash (David Cronenberg, 1996)
19. Pulp Fiction (Quentin Tarantino, 1994)
20. Being John Malkovich (Spike Jonze, 1999)
21. Goodfellas (Martin Scorsese, 1990)
22. The Big Lebowski (The Coen Brothers, 1998)
23. Priest (Antonia Bird, 1994)
24. Bullet in the Head (John Woo, 1990)
25. Fresh (Boaz Yakin, 1994)
26. Fargo (Joel Coen and Ethan Coen, 1996)
27. Olivier, Olivier (Agnieszka Holland, 1992)
28. The Straight Story (David Lynch, 1999)
29. Babe: Pig in the City (George Miller, 1998)
30. Faust (Jan Svankmajer, 1994)
31. Leaving Las Vegas (Mike Figgis, 1995)
32. Showgirls (Paul Verhoeven, 1995)
33. Hard Boiled (John Woo, 1992)
34. Dead Man Walking (Tim Robbins, 1995)
35. Bram Stoker’s Dracula (Francis Ford Coppola, 1992)
36. Rosetta (Jean-Pierre Dardenne and Luc Dardenne, 1999)
37. Rushmore (Wes Anderson, 1998)
38. The Double Life of Veronique (Krzysztof Kieslowski, 1991)
39. Hamlet (Kenneth Branagh, 1996)
40. Homicide (David Mamet, 1991)
41. Thirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould (François Girard, 1993)
42. Kirikou and the Sorceress (Michel Ocelot, 1998)
43. Miami Blues (George Armitage, 1990)
44. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991)
45. La Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette, 1991)
46. L'Humanite (Bruno Dumont, 1999)
47. A Brighter Summer Day (Edward Yang, 1991)
48. The Iron Giant (Brad Bird, 1999)
49. Shakespeare in Love (John Madden, 1998)
50. Zero Effect (Jake Kasdan, 1998)

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#390 Post by domino harvey » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:21 pm

My Top Ten plus Orphans

01 Fucking Åmål (Lukas Moodysson 1998)
02 Dick (Andrew Fleming 1999)
03 Kicking and Screaming (Noah Baumbach 1995)
04 Fun (Rafal Zielinski 1994)
05 Single White Female (Barbet Schroeder 1992) ALSO ORPHAN
06 To Sleep With Anger (Charles Burnett 1990)
07 Comment je me suis disputé... (ma vie sexuelle) (Arnaud Desplechin 1996)
08 Zero Effect (Jake Kasdan 1998)
09 Matinee (Joe Dante 1993)
10 Freeway (Matthew Bright 1996)

15 Leon: the Professional (Luc Besson 1994)
17 Nouvelle Vague (Jean-Luc Godard 1990)
19 Mr Jealousy (Noah Baumbach 1997)
24 Barcelona (Whit Stillman 1994)
27 Bob Roberts (Tim Robbins 1992)
28 A Far Off Place (Mikael Salomon 1993)
29 Freaked (Alex Winter 1993)
30 Pretty Woman (Garry Marshall 1990)
32 Deconstructing Harry (Woody Allen 1997)
33 the Sandlot (David M Evans 1993)
34 the Faculty (Robert Rodriguez 1998)
35 Mrs Parker and the Vicious Circle (Alan Rudolph 1994)
37 Lake Placid (Steve Miner 1999)
41 Alice (Woody Allen 1990)
44 National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1 (Gene Quintano 1993)
46 Cradle Will Rock (Tim Robbins 1999)
49 the Long Kiss Good Night (Renny Harlin 1996)
50 Twin Falls Idaho (the Polish Brothers 1999)

Some nice surprises (Fucking Åmål at Number Two?! Wow!) but some real heart-breakers as per usual. My spotlights fared as well as they ever do, ie not at all

(And apologies to Bamwc2, I thought about putting Shakespeare in Love about where you did by virtue of Paltrow's sheer star personality and radiance in that film, but opted for Hard Eight, where she is anything but)

EDIT: And thanks be to swo!


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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#391 Post by zedz » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:04 pm

Thanks swo. There are the usual delightful surprises, terrible disappointments and matters of utter confusion.

If the lower participation holds for the 00s list, maybe we should take a break with the decades lists for a while before commencing a new round - if people want to have a new round of them.

I haven't got that much to say about my list, because I said it all last time, and my selections have moved around rather than changed radically, but here's my top twenty, also-rans and orphans:


1. A Brighter Summer Day (Edward Yang, 1991) – still completely unavailable, and more appropriately placed for an unavailable film. The higher ranking last time was such a fluke I was worried people would think I was cooking the books! (In the early counting of the vote it even topped the list for quite a while.)
2. Die Zweite Heimat (Reitz, 1993) – ORPHAN. Not too surprising. Did anybody actually get around to watching this? It’s well worth setting aside a few weeks of your life to do so, and you don’t need to have seen the first Heimat beforehand.
3. Life and Nothing More (Abbas Kiarostami, 1991)
4. Satantango (Bela Tarr, 1994)
5. Nenette et Boni (Claire Denis, 1996)
6. Van Gogh (Maurice Pialat, 1991) – ALSO-RAN
7. The Quince Tree Sun (Victor Erice, 1992)
8. Sink or Swim (Su Friedrich, 1990) – Delighted to see this surge up the list.
9. The Power of Kangwon Province (Hong Sang-soo, 1998)
10. Hear My Cry (Maciej Drygas, 1991) – Also heartening to see this amazing film gain some traction.
11. In That Country (Lidia Bobrova, 1997) – ORPHAN. Second Run, if you’re listening, you need to get this film out before the next 90s list project!
12. The Guard (Aleksandr Rogozhkin, 1990) – ORPHAN. Ditto. There’s such a wealth of fantastic post-Soviet filmmaking that’s completely unavailable on home video, even in its homeland.
13. A Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbaf, 1996)
14. Close Up (Abbas Kiarostami, 1990)
15. Goodbye, South, Goodbye (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1996) – ALSO-RAN. Probably my favourite Hou film of them all, sorry top see it fall off the edge of the world this time.
16. Buffalo 66 (Vincent Gallo, 1998)
17. Black Ice (Stan Brakhage, 1994) – ALSO-RAN
18. Time Regained (Raul Ruiz, 1999) – ORPHAN. What the fuck? Did somebody slip Rohypnol in your crumby tea?
19. Ashes of Time (Wong Kar-wai, 1994) – ALSO-RAN
20. Screen Play (Barry Purves, 1992) – ORPHAN. I raved about this marvel somewhere, maybe in the animation thread. There’s a superb DVD of Purves’ work now available, so check it out.


23. Fugue (Schwizgebel, 1998) – I forgot about this completely until Swo reminded me, so thanks swo. Fortunately, one of my selections was ineligible, so this could sneak into its spot.
24. L’eau froid (Olivier Assayas, 1994)
26. Labyrinth of Dreams (Ishii, 1997) – At least it’s not an orphan this time! Lots of great Japanese cinema from this period is unavailable as well, with Ishii and Yanagimachi at the top of that list.
29. Twilight (Feher, 1990) – I think this was the only brand new discovery to make my list this time (though a number of films were dredged up from the 50+ ranks from last time). Thanks again, swo!
32. Irma Vep (Olivier Assayas, 1996)
38. Alone: Life Wastes Andy Hardy (Martin Arnold, 1998)
43. Sugar Water (Michel Gondry, 1996)
45. I Can’t Sleep (Claire Denis, 1994)
47. Outer Space (Peter Tscerkassky, 1999)


25. US Go Home (Denis, 1994)
27. Time Indefinite (Ross McElwee, 1994)
30. An Independent Life (Vitaly Kanevsky, 1992) – It seems like somebody dug a hole on the steppe and buried this film as soon as it completed the festival circuit. One of the most brain-bending ‘sequels’(of Freeze, Die, Come to Life) I’ve ever seen.
31. Rules of the Road (Su Friedrich, 1993)
33. A Confucian Confusion (Yang, 1994)
34. Mahjong (Yang, 1996)
35. Rainclouds Over Wushan (Zhang Ming, 1995) – I’ve never heard anything more from Zhang, so I’m tentatively granting auteur status for this strange, dark, funny film to writer Zhu Wen, whose haunting, Kafkaesque South of the Clouds will almost certainly be making my 00s list.
39. A Scene at the Sea (Kitano Takeshi, 1991)
44. The Boys (Rowan Woods, 1998)
46. Three Stories (Kira Muratova, 1997)
48. Hotel E (Priit Parn, 1992) - Awesome complete Parn DVD set now available - grab it!
50. Ali Click (Jerome Lefdup / Lari Flash / Brian Eno, 1992)

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#392 Post by Tommaso » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:05 pm

Thanks a lot for the hard work, swo, as always!

Actually, I'm pleasantly surprised by the final outcome. It's very good to see La belle noiseuse at least in the top twenty now, and also that Kiarostami seems to have fared better than the last time around. Best of all is that Oliveira made it in the top 100, and I guess if his work wasn't so very hard to find, he might have fared even better. In this respect, I must say that unfortunately I only managed to see his Inquietude this evening, which only yesterday would have caused a PM with a request to change my already submitted list: probably the quintessence of all of the director's styles and one of the greatest films of the 90s, but well... too late. Sorry to whoever it was that voted for it; it doesn't deserve to be an orphan, for sure.

Also, I wasn't aware that Breaking the Waves must have figured so low on the last list that even with a +36 it only ended up as #42 this time. Similarly, the improved result for Erice's Quince Tree Sun. I'm also glad that Vinterberg's The Celebration made a big jump up: I hadn't seen this film before the listmaking, but was completely floored by it (though perhaps not in an exactly pleasant way).

On the downside: is it really possible that I'm the only one who appreciates Lars von Trier's The Idiots, one of the director's most provocative and at the same time most deeply humanistic films? I really thought this one was on the list without any doubt; and that's not even counting its historical importance as one of the few 'Dogma' films (al)most true to the bible. And please explain why the weakest film Lynch ever made (apart from "Dune", of course) ranks higher than Lost Highway, and his second-weakest ranks higher than The Straight Story....

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#393 Post by knives » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:54 pm

Sorry Dom, Dick was my 51st choice. My generic top ten and slightly less generic orphans.

1 Beau Travail
2 Close-Up
3 The Ceremony (Chabrol)
4 Homicide (Mamet)
5 A Brief History of Time
6 Lost Highway
7 Happy Together (Wong)
8 Clean, Shaven
9 Barton Fink
10 Satantango

12 Jungle Fever
16 Raising Cain
22 The Film to Come (Ruiz)
24 Shadows and Fog
27 Remains of the Day
34 Schizopolis
37 The War Room
38 Three Lives and Only One Death
41 No One Writes to the Colonel (Ripstein)
42 Gray's Anatomy (Soderbergh)
44 Belfast, Maine (Wiseman)
45 Shinjuku Boys
46 Julien Donkey-Boy
48 Crooklyn
49 Fearless (Weir)

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#394 Post by dustybooks » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:59 pm

I feel guilty for not having participated in this or the last couple of projects, even though I never said much. I've been in the middle of a complicated and drawn-out move. But I read these discussions religiously. To be honest, I feel as if I still have so much of the regular cinematic canon yet to see -- helped along by stuff like these lists projects -- that I tend to fear my contributions would be rather trite. But if it would help ensure that these lists will continue being made and discussed, I would try to make a point to be more involved. (Among other problems, one thing is that I seldom seem to have time to watch more than three or four movies in a given week! Dunno how y'all do it, honestly.)

At any rate, a general suggestion that may not really belong here and if not I'm sorry. I know the idea of making the lists project public has been brought up before, but I really think that if it were something someone didn't have to sign up for the board in order to see, it might increase interest and visibility quite a bit -- I can imagine it being a good reason for a few potential good members to sign up for the board in the first place. If past discussions hinged on the illusion of semi-privacy, maybe the master lists thread could be public along with just whatever current discussion threads are happening?

I hope swo, dom, zedz, and everyone else aren't discouraged by the decreased participation, because you all do work that a lot of us out here in lurk-land find very helpful and informative. Many thanks.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#395 Post by scotty2 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:21 pm

Didn't submit this time because I just haven't had time to view a lot lately and felt I couldn't do the 90s justice, but then again I wish I had supported titles on my provisional top 50 that fell off the final list, namely Time Regained (14), Fallen Angels (21), Ed Wood (22), Irma Vep (25) and Groundhog Day (39). Guess I should have just sent it anyway. On to the oughts.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#396 Post by zedz » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:09 pm

dustybooks wrote:At any rate, a general suggestion that may not really belong here and if not I'm sorry. I know the idea of making the lists project public has been brought up before, but I really think that if it were something someone didn't have to sign up for the board in order to see, it might increase interest and visibility quite a bit -- I can imagine it being a good reason for a few potential good members to sign up for the board in the first place. If past discussions hinged on the illusion of semi-privacy, maybe the master lists thread could be public along with just whatever current discussion threads are happening?
This could work, or it could backfire spectacularly. The worst case scenario for increased participation is a vote that increases the compiler's workload tenfold and delivers a list that looks like every other best-of-the-decade list ever published.

The other big risk is that every other website, blog and messageboard in the universe is list-crazy, and in the overwhelming majority of cases lists are met with more lists and conversation and discussion die a pauper's death. This forum has traditionally been anti-list and pro-discussion (hey! remember when lists were actually banned here?), and this project has always been primarily a pretext for generating discussion rather than a list-for-list's-sake exercise - which is one of the reasons that the project has been semi-covert. If we're going to proclaim far and wide what we're all about, posting a list may be a hugely counter-productive way of doing so.

Having compiled the lists for one cycle, I'm pleased to report that just about every list submitted is endearingly eccentric.* The more lists are submitted, the more the final list ends up reflecting The Movies Everybody Has Seen rather than The Movies We're Really Passionate About. That's the nature of these kinds of exercises, but it also makes the aggregate list in a way peculiarly unrepresentative of the individual lists and passions that generated it, so I'm happy that the finished lists don't take on any kind of monolithic 'representative' presence and continue to be bare stages for discussions of what has been left out this time around.

* the only time this wasn't the case, and the only time I've rejected a list, was at the very start of the previous 2000s list. As soon as the 1990s list was posted and the 2000s discussion was opened, a brand new member sent me his top fifty list (all Hollywood films) along with an apology that some of the films towards the bottom of the list he didn't even like very much, but he hadn't seen any more that could be included. I told him that there was going to be six (nine?) months of discussion and suggestions that he could follow so that he could at least fill his list with films he actually liked, and that he should resubmit the list closer to the deadline, but I don't think he did.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#397 Post by John Cope » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:13 pm

Looking at this master list, it's amazing how much you can just plain forget or overlook. I was very happy to see somebody actually ranked Beth B's Two Small Bodies for instance and would have done so myself if I had thought of it. Same with Jarman's The Garden. Meanwhile, I ran out of room while I was struggling to fit Mann's The Insider on here and somehow completely forgot about Ridley's Reflecting Skin which certainly would have ranked otherwise and deserves to be somewhere on the list. Oh well. My list with some accompanying explanations and annotations to note Orphan or Also-Ran status:

1. Vale Abraão (Oliveira, '93): There was never any doubt where this would place. Frankly, for me, it's this and then the rest of the world.
2. Mindwalk (Capra, '90)--Orphan
3. An Ambush of Ghosts (Lewis, '93)--Orphan: Quite possibly the most impossible to find and see film that anyone listed as it's never received an official release and has only been screened a few times since its Sundance premiere. Seeing this was like a Grail Quest and I managed it back in '01 at a USC screening attended by the director and cinematographer. Since then I've been on a different sort of quest to get it released in some way though that seems, for whatever reason, almost impossible. And that's uniquely depressing as this is indeed a great film, an American Greenaway spliced with a pre-Fincher dark and brooding style but with far greater emotional reach and resonance than either (as Lewis said to me every element here went "hell-for-leather").
4. Lake Consequence (Eisenman, '93)--Orphan: A film so risible and instantaneously dismissible in its superficial narrative details that I rarely make the effort to rally on its behalf but perhaps I should. The best Zalman King film that Zalman King himself did not direct (he produced it and co-wrote it). It's rigorous myth making via a flow of images of crystallized perfection. All of this takes the form of a soft core fantasy romance which I'm sure will inherently turn off many prospective viewers but it should not because there is real courage in taking this material as far as Eisenman and company do here--it transforms the form into something else, something we have not seen before or considered in this way. First film by Harris Savides as well and, though he downplayed it later, it remains among his greatest work.
5. Inquietude (Oliveira, '98)--Orphan: Good to know that you would have voted for this, Tommaso. It's hard for me to rank Oliveira's work, as will be obvious in this list, but when I get serious about it I would probably place this one above the bulk of the rest from this decade for the reasons you mention. It's more formally inventive and innovative than some, at least in terms of structure, and the three part work allows it to distill his themes in unique ways while challenging us in others.
6. The Wind Will Carry Us (Kiarostami, '99)
7. Flowers of Shanghai (Hou, '98)
8. The Thin Red Line (Malick, '98)
9. The Convent (Oliveira, '95)
10. Ulysses' Gaze (Angelopoulos, '95)--Also-Ran: Kind of surprised that this didn't get more votes. For me it really could have been either this or Suspended Step but this one simply means more to me personally having been my first exposure to Angelopoulos.
11. Beau Travail (Denis, '99)
12. Party (Oliveira, '96)--Orphan: Debated about switching this around with The Convent but didn't because I think that's a more formally innovative and audacious work than this. Otherwise, about equal. There is a way too, it has to be admitted, that as much as I love MO's collaborations with Agustina Bessa-Luis and as great and rich as I think those are, the films like this one that give over almost completely to her voice via dialogue scenes do ultimately run the risk of steam rolling Oliveira's own technique. Here his contribution is mostly subtle refinements as is perhaps fitting, accents to the framing and within the frame.
13. Bitter Moon (Polanski '92)--Also-Ran: My favorite Polanski. Just watched it again the other day and it only served to confirm that. Hope to see this one do better in the votes in the future.
14. Satantango (Tarr, '94): Haven't seen it in a decade but really never need to see it again.
15. La lettre (Oliveira, '99)--Orphan: Another masterpiece but one that seems perhaps the most indicative of Oliveira's own perspective. It's not a collaboration and it is his ultra-unique take on adaptation of classic literature. His language is less dense than that of Bessa-Luis and as such there's a lighter touch involved that allows for more space and room to reflect as distinguished from the intensity of actively working through ideas. Complex in a more subtle, quiet way.
16. The Quince Tree Sun (Erice, '92)
17. Non (Oliveira, '90)--Orphan
18. The Blood Oranges (Haas, '97)--Orphan
19. Liebestraum (Figgis, '91)--Orphan
20. Eyes Wide Shut (Kubrick, '99)
21. Magnolia (Anderson, '99)
22. Light Sleeper (Schrader, '92)--Also-Ran
23. Fight Club (Fincher, '99)
24. JFK (Stone, '91)
25. Until the End of the World (Wenders, '91)--Also-Ran: Here I guess I really mean the expanded "director's cut" which is so glorious but the original truncated theatrical is still pretty awesome and has a very real place in my heart. This was when Wenders' hopeful humanist optimism was most affecting.
26. Closet Land (Bharadwaj, '91)--Orphan: The two best performances of '91 (not Foster and Hopkins)
27. 1492: Conquest of Paradise (Scott, 92)--Orphan: More and more this one seems to me to be Scott's finest film of the 90's, certainly far more so than the now fading Thelma & Louise. Beautiful beyond measure.
28. Voyage to the Beginning of the World (Oliveira, '97)--Also-Ran
29. Miller's Crossing (Coens, '90)
30. Twin Peaks pilot (Lynch, '90)--Also-Ran: Hard to pick between this and FWWM but if I had to I would go with this as Lynch's best work from the decade simply because it's utterly astonishing and revelatory to watch him do his thing in such a subdued and indirect register. Also, among his most beautiful films.
31. Bliss (Young, '97)--Orphan: A masterpiece that continues to seek out its audience. Young unfortunately has never made another film and that is a great loss as this one is so singular and grand an accomplishment. As with Lake Consequence, this film risks being risible in its story of a married couple seeking assistance from a sex therapist who "operates on the edge of the law" but wisely Young allows for comedy while at the same time taking the idea of sexual healing and the possibilities of eros very seriously.
32. The Doom Generation (Araki, '95)--Orphan: Really thought this would do better. Maybe we're "past all that"? If so then this film for me still stands as among the very best testaments to the temperament of its time, particularly in the ending with its raw, suddenly very real violence as the greatest of disillusionment.
33. The Sheltering Sky (Bertolucci, '90)--Also-Ran: Because the surface hides so much.
34. Day of Despair (Oliveira, '92)
35. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (Lynch, '92): Because every personal holocaust is a mythic and cosmic Holocaust.
36. Kasaba (Ceylan, '97)--Orphan: Not surprised that this continues to be overlooked but for me this and Anatolia are Ceylan's greatest films, his most profound achievements. Here he's even more obviously working in the key of Kiarostami but he makes that his own through photography and insight into the community and characters.
37. Sicilia! (Straub/Huillet, '98)--Also-Ran
38. Through the Olive Trees (Kiarostami, '94)
39. No Fear, No Die (Denis, '90)--Orphan: I guarantee that this would do way better in the count if it would ever get a decent release outside of France.
40. Naked Lunch (Cronenberg, '91)--Also-Ran: Could have just as easily been Crash here. A coin flip decision. Both are superb examples of idiosyncratic and distinctive adaptation.
41. Dangerous Game (Ferrara, '93)--Orphan: Hard to pick a favorite Ferrara but this one again just seems to me to be the best, most representative one. The intensely meta scenario goes very far and is almost entirely successful in what becomes more and more perilous intellectual tight rope walking. This could fall into pure farce at any moment but never does.
42. Life and Nothing More (Kiarostami, '92)
43. Exotica (Egoyan, '94): Could have just as easily been The Adjuster. Another coin flip.
44. Whispering Pages (Sokurov, '94)--Also-Ran
45. Prospero's Books (Greenaway, '91)--Also-Ran: I still think that Baby of Macon may be PG's very best, most perfectly complete film and the one that represents him best philosophically as well but frankly I just don't like it much and that does make a difference. At a certain point a personal philosophy expressed brilliantly and thoroughly may still simply turn you off if you're not real receptive to it. Meanwhile, Prospero is a masterpiece that is easier to get behind, its challenges and accomplishments just about as perfectly realized as is possible but less of an overwhelming assault upon the viewer than BoM. As a friends says too, Prospero's Books is one of the greatest fantasy films ever made; it should be a model for that form but is somehow instead considered too "out there" when in fact that's exactly what should be learned from it.
46. Cremaster 2 (Barney, '99)--Orphan
47. The Myth of Fingerprints (Freundlich, '97)--Orphan: An even better Ordinary People with a profound understanding and respect for the ways in which simple moments can affect lives.
48. Institute Benjamenta (Quays, '95)--Also-Ran
49. Wrony (Kedzierzawska, '94)--Also-Ran: Glad to see someone else voted for this. As with Ceylan's Kasaba, another under seen masterful representation of children and a child's eye view of the world.
50. Ashes of Time (Wong, '94)--Also-Ran

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#398 Post by Gregory » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:10 am

John Cope wrote:32. The Doom Generation (Araki, '95)--Orphan: Really thought this would do better. Maybe we're "past all that"?
I think the reason (or part of the reason) it went from Also-Ran last time to Orphan this time was that I voted for it last time but not this time. I still like it enough that I watched it again for this round and found that for whatever reason I didn't find it as striking as the first time I saw it, which may be either a kind of higher hurdle that films have to rise above to be one of those films that continue to give as engaging or rewarding an experience on being rewatched after they're already familiar that they did the first time, or a failure on my part to notice new things in it and have a growing appreciation of it. It's still the same great film it was when it came out, and I probably should have voted for it again, but there's never enough spots for everything, so I have to play favorites in sometimes totally subjective and unreasonable ways. I'm saying all this not to account for leaving this particular film off my list but just to ruminate on my process of coming up with the ranked list, which I never feel satisfied with.

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#399 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:51 am

My list:

1. Raise The Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou, 1991)
2. Three Colours : Red (Krzysztof Kieślowski, 1994)
3. Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)
4. Exotica (Atom Egoyan, 1994)
5. Temptress Moon (Chen Kaige, 1996) Orphan
6. Funny Games (Michael Haneke, 1997) Also ran
7. Underground (Emir Kusturica, 1995)
8. A Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbaf, 1996)
9. The Hole (Tsai Ming Liang, 1998)
10. Farewell, My Concubine (Chen Kaige, 1993)

11. Naked (Mike Leigh, 1993)
12. The Apostle (Robert Duvall, 1997) Orphan
13. The End of the Affair (Neil Jordan, 1999) Orphan
14. Actress (Stanley Kwan, 1993) Also ran
15. The Baby of Macon (Peter Greenaway, 1993) Also ran
16. The Nasty Girl (Michael Verhoeven, 1990) Also ran
17. Human Resources (Laurent Cantet, 1999) Orphan
18. Dazed and Confused (Richard Linklater, 1993)
19. Mother and Son (Alexander Sokurov, 1997) Also ran
20. In The Company of Men (Neil La Bute, 1997) Also ran

21. Death on a Full Moon Day (Prasanna Vithanage, 1997) Orphan
22. The Apple (Samira Makhmalbaf, 1998) Orphan
23. It All Starts Today (Bertrand Tavernier, 1999) Orphan
24. Crows (Dorota Kedzierzawska, 1994) Also ran
25. One False Move (Carl Franklin, 1992) Also ran
26. The Stranger (Satyajit Ray, 1991) Orphan
27. The Lovers on the Bridge (Leos Carax, 1991)
28. Little Odessa (James Gray, 1994) Also ran
29. Proof (Jocelyn Moorhouse, 1991) Orphan
30. Drifting Clouds (Aki Kaurismaki, 1996) Also ran

31. Garage Olimpo (Marco Bechis, 1999)Orphan
32. Beau Travail (Claire Denis, 1999)
33. Wild Reeds (Andre Techine, 1994) Also ran
34. Gattaca (Andrew Niccol, 1997) Orphan
35. Hard Eight (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1996) Also ran
36. The Long Day Closes (Terence Davies, 1992)
37. Audition (Takashi Miike, 1999) Also ran
38. Cronos (Guillermo del Toro, 1993) Also ran
39. Brain Dead (Peter Jackson, 1992) Also ran
40. A Room For Romeo Brass (Shane Meadows, 1999) Orphan

41. Happy Together (Wong Kar Wai, 1997)
42. The Cable Guy (Ben Stiller, 1996) Orphan
43. Calendar (Atom Egoyan, 1993) Orphan
44. Cabaret Balkan (Goran Paskaljevic, 1998) Also ran
45. Close Up (Abbas Kiarostami, 1990)
46. The Addiction (Abel Ferrara, 1995)
47. Peppermint Candy (Lee Chang Dong, 1999) Orphan
48. The Wind Will Carry Us (Abbas Kiarostami, 1999)
49. Not One Less (Zhang Yimou, 1999) Orphan
50. Tesis (Alejandro Amenabar, 1996) Also ran

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Re: 1990s List Discussion and Suggestions

#400 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:00 am

Of my orphans, I guess I'm most surprised by the absence of The Apostle. This was the highest placed 'new' film and had I not shown so much loyalty to the established films I've loved for years, this could have placed even higher. Robert Duvall gives one of the best performances I saw in the entire decade, and the film is made with such sensitivity and balance. It would be easy for Sonny to be a charlatan or con man, but Duvall writes and performs him as a good but conflicted man.

Gattaca I thought might have its fans, but I could imagine it not making many lists. It's not even like it was high in mind.

They're quite obscure movies, but if anyone can dig out Garage Olimpo and Death on a Full Moon Day (from Sri Lanka), I'd heartily recommend these.

Regarding the also rans, I know Funny Games gets a mixed reaction from the board and critics. Haneke should have an excellent 00s though. I was glad to see someone else vote for Cabaret Balkan, whose pessimistic look at mid 90s Serbia running high on machismo and aggression contrasts nicely with Underground.

I always like seeing the shifting patterns in voting. Trends come and go quite a bit over five years or so.

Regrets? Not seeing Van Gogh in time. I meant to then forgot, which is annoying as I really love most of the other Pialat films I've seen!

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