Charlie Chaplin and Criterion
- Ashirg
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Monsieur Verdoux is out in Scandinavia.
- JPJ
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Also The Kid,Woman of Paris,Gold rush(re-release version),The circus,City lights,Modern Times and Limelight.Just picked up dual format Woman of Paris for 6 euros from the local shopping mall.Ashirg wrote:Monsieur Verdoux is out in Scandinavia.
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Aren't they all 1080i/25fps?JPJ wrote:Also The Kid,Woman of Paris,Gold rush(re-release version),The circus,City lights,Modern Times and Limelight.Just picked up dual format Woman of Paris for 6 euros from the local shopping mall.Ashirg wrote:Monsieur Verdoux is out in Scandinavia.
- JPJ
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Actually I'm not sure,The Great Dictator(forgot that one from the previous post)definitely isn't.Kauno wrote:Aren't they all 1080i/25fps?JPJ wrote:Also The Kid,Woman of Paris,Gold rush(re-release version),The circus,City lights,Modern Times and Limelight.Just picked up dual format Woman of Paris for 6 euros from the local shopping mall.Ashirg wrote:Monsieur Verdoux is out in Scandinavia.
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Criterion has released all four of their Chaplin titles in chronological order: Modern Times (1936), The Great Dictator (1940), Goldrush (the 1942 re-release is the officially sanctioned version), and now Monsieur Verdoux (1947). If Criterion continues the pattern we can look forward to Limelight next and a long, long wait for the earlier great works from the 20s.
- Jeff
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I'm betting that pattern continues, more or less, and that it mainly has to do with how much work is needed on various titles. If I was to randomly speculate (as I am wont to do), I would say that the release schedule for the remaining titles might look something like:OrphanSeasun wrote:Criterion has released all four of their Chaplin titles in chronological order: Modern Times (1936), The Great Dictator (1940), Goldrush (the 1942 re-release is the officially sanctioned version), and now Monsieur Verdoux (1947). If Criterion continues the pattern we can look forward to Limelight next and a long, long wait for the earlier great works from the 20s.
Summer 2013: Paired spines of Limelight and A King in New York (the latter being a lower-tier $30 release)
Holiday 2013: Charlie Chaplin at First National Pictures (includes The Kid, The Pilgrim, Shoulder Arms, and the six shorts) [two-disc set]
Spring 2014: A Woman of Paris (with new commentary by David Kalat??? I suspect Criterion will try to rehabilitate this one.)
Summer 2014: The Circus
Holiday 2014: City Lights and Chaplin125 (Like AK100, a set of all Criterion's Chaplin holdings with a big, fancy book and no supplements)
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If they did a big Chaplin box set I imagine A Woman of Paris would be the Madadayo of the set. A title by the director that may not sell very well on an individual release but would be an essential bit for a collectors edition.
- knives
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I hope you are very wrong on that as A Woman of Paris is easily one of his best.
- zedz
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Sounds like a decent plan, Jeff, but I have no doubt that The Kid will be top-billed as such. That said, it does make sense to load the shorts in with it, unless the Chaplins are doing so well for Criterion that they want to spin them into their own release.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the two 'lesser lights' among the features (Woman of Paris and King in New York) come out as a double feature, speciously linked by the title similarities but actually linked because they're not commercially strong enough to stand alone.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the two 'lesser lights' among the features (Woman of Paris and King in New York) come out as a double feature, speciously linked by the title similarities but actually linked because they're not commercially strong enough to stand alone.
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I know that we've gotten into this before, but it's easily my least favorite of Chaplin's films. I've only seen it once, but found it excruciatingly boring.knives wrote:I hope you are very wrong on that as A Woman of Paris is easily one of his best.
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Oh my yes, a First National set (with the Kid in its proper place, not separate) is one I do crave.Jeff wrote:I'm betting that pattern continues, more or less, and that it mainly has to do with how much work is needed on various titles. If I was to randomly speculate (as I am wont to do), I would say that the release schedule for the remaining titles might look something like:OrphanSeasun wrote:Criterion has released all four of their Chaplin titles in chronological order: Modern Times (1936), The Great Dictator (1940), Goldrush (the 1942 re-release is the officially sanctioned version), and now Monsieur Verdoux (1947). If Criterion continues the pattern we can look forward to Limelight next and a long, long wait for the earlier great works from the 20s.
Summer 2013: Paired spines of Limelight and A King in New York (the latter being a lower-tier $30 release)
Holiday 2013: Charlie Chaplin at First National Pictures (includes The Kid, The Pilgrim, Shoulder Arms, and the six shorts) [two-disc set]
Spring 2014: A Woman of Paris (with new commentary by David Kalat??? I suspect Criterion will try to rehabilitate this one.)
Summer 2014: The Circus
Holiday 2014: City Lights and Chaplin125 (Like AK100, a set of all Criterion's Chaplin holdings with a big, fancy book and no supplements)
And what about "A Countess from Hong Kong?" Standard Def bonus feature seems about right
- knives
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Countess is not in Criterion's possession.
- ryannichols7
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well, as we can see now, The Kid is surely coming in 2013.
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i just hope this means we'll get the other First Nationals. I firmly believe The Kid ought to be bundled with those films, since it was originally conceived as a short film for his F.N. contract, but then turned into a feature, with one more short, The Pilgrim, to follow. It is part of a whole, and they all need to be presented together.ryannichols7 wrote:well, as we can see now, The Kid is surely coming in 2013.
- med
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To further give credence to the possibility of Limelight being the next Criterion release, one of the the supplements on Monsieur Verdoux features a brief clip from the later film and it looked very nice.
- Brian C
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They've all been restored and toured in new 35mm prints, though, so they all look plenty nice already without Criterion specifically working on them. I don't think that's much of a tea leaf.
- Lowry_Sam
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If they do a box, hopefully they ditch the haphazard & unattractive covers and replace them with stills a la (what they are hopefully doing with) Harold Lloyd.MongooseCmr wrote:If they did a big Chaplin box set I imagine A Woman of Paris would be the Madadayo of the set. A title by the director that may not sell very well on an individual release but would be an essential bit for a collectors edition.
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City Lights (as well as the already released Modern Times) is the only one I am really pining to purchase. Being a big title in his filmography, I am surprised it hasn't been released yet and that we may have to wait even longer. I figured City Lights would have been high in the queue along with Modern Times, Gold Rush and The Great Dictator.
- agnamaracs
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The Kid was released in February 2016. It is now over three years later. Did they give up?
I'd love to see a First National shorts collection on par with the Flicker Alley/BFI sets. Maybe with The Chaplin Revue as an extra.
I'd love to see a First National shorts collection on par with the Flicker Alley/BFI sets. Maybe with The Chaplin Revue as an extra.
- CSM126
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The influx of major studio licenses took precedence. No one else is getting their hands on the Chaplin titles for a long time anyway, so they can afford to wait on them while keeping the studios happy with quick turnarounds on their films.
- tenia
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As long as I'm still alive by the time they release the last Chaplin they own... They might even get their UK branch running smoothly first.
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What else do they own the rights to besides Woman in Paris and The Circus?
- Shrew
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A King in New York, as well as all the First National shorts (A Dog's Life, Shoulder Arms, Sunnyside, A Day's Pleasure, Pay Day, The Idle Class, The Pilgrim). Basically everything except the pre-1918 shorts and A Countess from Hong Kong.
I expect Filmstruck/Criterion Channel has taken the urgency out of this project, since they're all available there. Plus the remaining films aren't Chaplin's most well-known or best-regarded (sorry, I know swo likes The Circus).
I expect Filmstruck/Criterion Channel has taken the urgency out of this project, since they're all available there. Plus the remaining films aren't Chaplin's most well-known or best-regarded (sorry, I know swo likes The Circus).
- dustybooks
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Count me with swo, The Circus is my second-favorite just behind CIty Lights. I'll be mildly annoyed if A King in New York gets out first!
A full collection of the First National shorts seems like an easy sell to me. I wouldn't be shocked if that came next whenever they revisit the Chaplin well.
A full collection of the First National shorts seems like an easy sell to me. I wouldn't be shocked if that came next whenever they revisit the Chaplin well.
- captveg
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With the release of The Circus, we likely only have two releases left, but it may be a while: Chaplin Revue/First National Shorts, A Woman of Paris/A King In New York.