Criterion U.K.
- dda1996a
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Is there any way to know what older releases will be released? Already imported the US Dazed and Confused...
- tenia
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There's pretty much no way. Technically, they might have the UK rights for tons of stuff but at a rate of only 3 releases per month, including some new ones, there's no way to guess which older ones will be ported over.
- rapta
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July titles confirmed as War and Peace, Swing Time, and Hedwig and the Angry Itch.
PS: Two out of three of those are Warner Bros properties, so looking hopeful for Klute in August/September...
PS: Two out of three of those are Warner Bros properties, so looking hopeful for Klute in August/September...
- MichaelB
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Not at all surprised about War and Peace: I was pretty certain nobody else had the UK rights, as Artificial Eye's claim must surely have elapsed years ago.
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War and Peace is cut in the UK for horse falls, so I fully expect Criterion to cancel it like they did Andrei Rublev.
- Dr Amicus
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But they didn't with the Zatoichi set - so it's a matter of wait and see I guess.
My guess is even with the trims, Criterion will probably go for it. It's a recognised property and the recent BBC production was popular, so a reissue of this version looks obvious in a way that Rublev may not be.
- rapta
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Also worth noting a lot of the previously-higher-priced titles are down to £17.99 over at Zoom (i.e. the official Criterion UK outlet), so if anyone was hesitating on those they're all now the same price as the 'normal' titles. These include Ugetsu, True Stories, The Magnificent Ambersons, Othello, The Tree of Life, Sex, Lies and Videotape, Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters, The Emigrants/The New Land and The Samurai Trilogy.
EDIT: spoke too soon...most of them are back up to £25.99. Odd...
EDIT: spoke too soon...most of them are back up to £25.99. Odd...
- MichaelB
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It looks as though you're right - I've just had this from Amazon:
Unfortunately, we’ve had to cancel your order #[redacted] for "War and Peace [The Criterion Collection] [Blu-ray] [2019]", as this item has been discontinued by the manufacturer
- TMDaines
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Couldn't be more half-arsed if they tried, could they?
- rapta
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Very frustrating. I wouldn't mind if they made the roughly-21 seconds of cuts, as long as we still got it in some form. Why can't they do what Arrow do with their dual-territory releases and seamlessly branch the cuts, therefore not having to cancel the release entirely?
Is it purely laziness, or a refusal to bow to censorship? If it's the latter, why did they even bother with the UK market in the first place?
Also, why secure UK rights to two major Mosfilm acquisitions and then do nothing with them? They could've released Andrei Rublev with cuts as well.
Is it purely laziness, or a refusal to bow to censorship? If it's the latter, why did they even bother with the UK market in the first place?
Also, why secure UK rights to two major Mosfilm acquisitions and then do nothing with them? They could've released Andrei Rublev with cuts as well.
- Apperson
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I've already ordered from the new listing just in-case, but I can't imagine a different outcome at the moment.
- yoloswegmaster
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Why are people okay with censorship on here? Y'all weird.
- Apperson
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Yeah, it sure is censorship to hope that a massive, internationally respected company is aware of and complies with a law that's been in place since 1984 in order to release important films in its new restoration in ANY capacity.
- yoloswegmaster
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The fact that you're ok with this law means that you are for censorship.
- tenia
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This is a textbook straw man argument.yoloswegmaster wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 8:03 amThe fact that you're ok with this law means that you are for censorship.
There is a noticeable difference between accepting that companies comply with the laws in place and being for censorship.
- Big Ben
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I suppose I speak for myself here but some folks also don't like seeing animals hurt. Even living near farms all my life it doesn't get any easier to watch animals be slaughtered (And here they're mercifully spared the far crueler conditions of mass production farms.). I don't think anyone here is pro-censorship but I'm quite sure people are upset that Criterion isn't simply working around the required cuts and has chosen to cancel the release in some fashion.
- tenia
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I'm actually more baffled that they don't even check this prior to the announcement.
Especially if it turns out to be the case for War and Peace after they ALREADY HAD the issue with Andrei Rublev but managed to comply and cut a Zatoichi movie for porting the boxset to the UK. In any case, TMDaines summed it up perfectly.
Especially if it turns out to be the case for War and Peace after they ALREADY HAD the issue with Andrei Rublev but managed to comply and cut a Zatoichi movie for porting the boxset to the UK. In any case, TMDaines summed it up perfectly.
- L.A.
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Which film in the UK Zatoichi box is cut?
- tenia
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The sixth one, I believe.
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Same. Harm to animals has ruined my enjoyment of some films before, such as with Stromboli. To me, the scene added nothing and it was horrible to watch so I'm fine with being cut. Otherwise, I'd fast forward over it so the effect is the same for me.Big Ben wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 8:18 amI suppose I speak for myself here but some folks also don't like seeing animals hurt. Even living near farms all my life it doesn't get any easier to watch animals be slaughtered (And here they're mercifully spared the far crueler conditions of mass production farms.). I don't think anyone here is pro-censorship but I'm quite sure people are upset that Criterion isn't simply working around the required cuts and has chosen to cancel the release in some fashion.
That said, this is more stupid because Criterion knows the law and what will happen. Announcing it should have meant they would comply. It is not like the law is brand new or is a surprise.
- tenia
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It does seem rushed and half-baked, almost at beginners' level. The law indeed isn't new nor are the concerned movies, so the required cuts are historically known. It just seem like the UK branch simply doesn't do its homework, but we also now know they also don't learn their lessons.
Oh well.
Oh well.
- L.A.
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- colinr0380
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I wonder if there potentially might be a difference to releasing the Zatoichi set a couple of years after its US release where there is time to tinker with it and edit offending moments out specifically for the UK, compared to releasing War and Peace simultaneously. Perhaps only films that are not going to present any particular censorship trouble, necessitating an entirely different edited version to be created would be able to get a simultaneous release across both territories?
- tenia
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I'd rather suppose that the Zatoichi set is a much bigger set that might, money wise, justifiy giving it more than 5 minutes of prior thoughts because of the money involved to just produce the set and acquire all the rights, whether War and Peace is only a single movie, so the financial consequences "might" be lower.
- rapta
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A very short response from SPHE UK in regards to the cancellation of War and Peace:
I sent them three paragraphs, for what it's worth, urging them to reconsider.
No debate, then. That's that.Simon Williams | Supply Chain | Columbia Pictures Corporation Ltd. wrote:I’m sorry but the decision has been taken not to release the title with the necessary cuts for the UK market.
I sent them three paragraphs, for what it's worth, urging them to reconsider.