Artificial Eye / Curzon: Andrei Tarkovsky Collection

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#126 Post by Trees » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:25 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:Mirror has been detailed for it's July 25th release.
Special Features:
-Andrei Tarkovsky's metaphysical dream zone: selected scene commentary by Mary Wild
-Interview with screenwriter A.Misharin
-Interview with composer Eduard Artemev
-Interview with Oleg Yankovskiy
-Music box featurette
-40-page booklet illustrated collector's booklet
Which version of the film is this, in terms of the restoration?

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#127 Post by TMDaines » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:57 am


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#128 Post by jedgeco » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:30 am

If anybody gets the AE Rublev and can compare it to the RusCiCo Blu that came out a few years ago, I'd be interested to know if AE is an upgrade.

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Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#129 Post by FrauBlucher » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:50 pm

Solaris Detailed: Release date August 8
Special Features:
-Andrei Tarkovsky's metaphysical dream zone part 3 : selected scene commentary by Mary Wild
-Andrei Tarkovsky's metaphysical dream zone: an introduction by Mary Wild
-Interview with Natalia Bondarchuk
-Donatas Banionis featurette
-40-page illustrated booklet


Stalker detailed: Release date August 22
Special Features:
-Andrei Tarkovsky's metaphysical dream zone part 5: selected scene commentary by Mary Wild
-Andrei Tarkovsky's metaphysical dream zone: an introduction by Mary Wild
-Interview with cinematographer Aleksandr Knyazhinsky
-Interview with set designer Rashit Safiullin
-40-page illustrated booklet

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#130 Post by chatterjees » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:19 pm

So each of the Tarkovsky releases is coming with a 40 page booklet. I wonder what's their plan for the set. I am waiting for the whole set to go up for pre-order, but I definitely don't want to miss the booklets. I am hoping that they will include a think book. Did you guys hear anything?

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#131 Post by kekid » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:32 pm

chatterjees wrote:So each of the Tarkovsky releases is coming with a 40 page booklet. I wonder what's their plan for the set. I am waiting for the whole set to go up for pre-order, but I definitely don't want to miss the booklets. I am hoping that they will include a think book. Did you guys hear anything?
Could it be the same 40-page booklet in all DVDs? Or perhaps a good part of the booklet might be common across films, so does not need to be duplicated in the box?

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#132 Post by mistakaninja » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:19 am

Rublev came through the door this morning. The booklet is specific to the film. There's a sticker on the front that says, "Exclusive booklet inside," but God knows what the nature of the exclusivity is.

Not sure if we knew this, but it's two discs (picture on one, features on the other - not sure what size the discs are, presumably a dual layer for the feature and single for supplements) in a thick case and comes with a slip.

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#133 Post by Oedipax » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:04 pm


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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#134 Post by jsteffe » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:39 pm

Oedipax wrote:Beaver on Mirror
It looks as if it's still the same master that uses only black-and-white for both the monochrome footage shot by Tarkovsky and the newsreel footage, instead of a mix of sepia and black-and-white. I'm still holding out hope that it will get fixed some day. (Kino Lorber? Please?)

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#135 Post by Wes Moynihan » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:07 am

Mirror screenshots taken from Beaver review...

(top, 2002 AE DVD, bottom AE Blu)

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#136 Post by MichaelB » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:18 am

The AE DVD was a Ruscico clone, wasn't it?

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#137 Post by AidanKing » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:27 am

MichaelB wrote:The AE DVD was a Ruscico clone, wasn't it?
Yes. It came in two versions, the first with just a remixed 5.1 soundtrack which put an echo on the poetry-reading voiceover and increased the volume of the sounds of the fire and the second with the original mono soundtrack as well. AE did replacements but this was before Robert Beeson left. The nostalghia.com website was very unhappy with the remix as far as I can recall.

The initial AE DVDs of the first five films were all Ruscico clones. I think they were supposed to be less problematic than the DVDs of The Sacrifice and particularly Nostalghia but in all honesty my setup isn't good enough to be sure.

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#138 Post by rspaight » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:17 am

What is Beav talking about here (re: Mirror)?
NOTE: There is the opinion that the brighter appearance is due to a missing gamma correction from an encoding error. In Blu-ray authoring you often use a lossless Apple Quicktime Pro-Res file as an intermediate between the uncompressed content of an HD-tape-master and the final AVC or VC1 encoding. This Pro-Res file, like most thing made by Apple, has an error that comes with it which is that it brightens the picture. Now, if you encode the Pro-Res file without a gamma correction, your result can be a faulty Blu-ray.

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#139 Post by Drucker » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:57 am

Basically, AE isn't encoding the image on the disc correctly, leading to an image that's too bright. It's much more apparent in the caps for Ivan's Childhood.

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#140 Post by fritz78 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:27 am

It's just like the DVDBeaver describes it. Both discs don't reproduce the brightness and color saturation of the film's masters correctly since the authoring studio doesn't seem to know about the QuickTime pro-res bug which is the codec usually used to deliver HD masters. It's possible that this problem affects all Artificial Eye titles which I can't tell since I don't own any, but it's certainly true for these two Tarkovskys and most likely will be for the next titles in that collection. Very unfortunate.

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#141 Post by Wes Moynihan » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:46 am

It's astonishing that a major label could drop the ball like this !!

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#142 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:15 pm

Beaver> Solaris
Next up is Stalker. That will be very interesting.

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#143 Post by fritz78 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:59 pm

And, as predicted, once again the gamma error on the same master as Criterion used. Way to go...

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#144 Post by Manny Karp » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:39 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:Beaver> Solaris
Next up is Stalker. That will be very disappointing.
Fixed

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#145 Post by Drucker » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:41 pm

Disappointed, but relieved no need to double dip.

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#146 Post by TMDaines » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:40 pm

Is it not possible to compensate for this gamma issue with your TV settings? Or for those with an HTPC, with MadVR or the like?

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#147 Post by FrauBlucher » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:35 pm

Ryan Gallagher was wondering the same thing on his podcast.

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#148 Post by feihong » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:55 pm

I watched the Artificial Eye DVD of Lou Ye's "Mystery" last night, and I had to boost the gamma to get a decent picture (the disc is also interlaced like crazy). Under standard TV settings, the disc looked remarkably grungy and unnaturally dark, but when I boosted the TV's gamma I found there was a lot more visual information to be found. I wonder if that's a problem with a similar source (i.e., Artificial Eye somehow doesn't bother to make these kind of corrections)?

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Re: Artificial Eye / Curzon Film World

#149 Post by Manny Karp » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:33 pm

Someone please explain to me what gamma is and how it is or isn't related to brightness

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#150 Post by llama » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:18 pm

For practical reasons, digital video and images intended for distribution typically don't store the actual brightnesses of each pixel. Instead, everything is stored on a curve (and the inverse operation is applied by the display), and "gamma" is a shorthand for describing the steepness of that curve, which can be altered by the display or when encoding the video.

From time to time you get blu-rays with differing brightnesses despite both being derived from the same master, sometimes thanks to this Adobe/Apple/Quicktime bug, documented here.

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