Sometimes the only way to know if something works is to try it on and see if it fits. The wishes presumably came after this.cinemartin wrote:I would think he wouldn't say a line that was against his wishes.
322 The Complete Mr. Arkadin
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That's not really accurate, cinemartin. Welles edited Arkadin for a very long time (8 months I believe), and it was eventually taken out of his hands. He did not just up and leave. He was forced out.
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I just checked the Bracco death scene from CONFIDENTIAL REPORT and feel pretty certain that Welles did not dub the voice in this version (as he did in the Corinth version, the soundtrack from which was also used for the "Comprehensive version"). Nonetheless, there are numerous examples of Welles working under protest to alter his own films to please a producer or studio, from the several days of studio re-shoots undertaken for THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI to the re-editing and complete re-dubbing of MACBETH. As Drucker pointed out, Welles was pushed out during post-production of ARKADIN and did not abandon the film willingly. He was offered the opportunity to buy the film back at one point, but he didn't think it would be a good use of his finances and, quite possibly, he wasn't in love with the project enough to fight harder for it.
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Agreed. My only beef with the "Comprehensive Version" is the movement of the credits to the end. It's a minor complaint, all things considered. But in every known version the credits appear at the beginning of the film, including Corinth, and I don't think I've seen an explanation for the change. It's true that Welles placed the credits at the end of a number of his films (Kane, Ambersons, Othello), which (correct me if I'm wrong) was unusual for the time. But I don't see how this, in and of itself, is an argument for the change in Arkadin. Rather, the introduction to this oddball cast of characters at the beginning of the film sets the tone for the pulpy caper pic we're about to embark on. And as such segues nicely into Van Stratten's arrival at Tamiroff's.Roger Ryan wrote:I'll stand by the "Comprehensive version" as my preferred edition - it has the best continuity and this is a film that needs all the continuity it can get.
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I just noticed this DVD Edition is Currently Unavailable on the CC website and curious to know if this has been the case for several months or more?
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Really hope they don’t cut any of that packaging down when upgraded
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I have a feeling the Novel will be omitted.therewillbeblus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:26 pmReally hope they don’t cut any of that packaging down when upgraded
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Was about to watch this on the channel but after clicking on it had no idea where to begin. I’m likely only going to watch one version, but which one should it be?
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The comprehensive (Criterion edit), no doubt about it.
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I don’t remember the key differences, but I do know this is the correct answer
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The Wiki article goes a bit into the differences. It's the truest to the way Welles envisioned the film, it's more complete, and I remember watching the three in succession and finding that artistically there was no contest that this one.
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All three versions now on a German Bluray (Region B). Details and relevant links here:
https://www.wellesnet.com/phpbb2/viewto ... aef#p27734
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https://www.wellesnet.com/phpbb2/viewto ... aef#p27734
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